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R72006
4 years ago
alpinestar

thanks for the article, that’s some pretty fucked up shit…. it’s honestly hard not to hate sometimes… i find i can’t resist..

R72034
4 years ago
Porktamer

Say it ain’t so, alpine…

Though Iranian “democracy” is certainly questionable, the jackass responsible for this commercial should not be calling the charge for reform. This commercial (the one mentioned in the article) is hilarious.

Seriously though, someone needs to take power away from Khamenei and the Guardian Council. They shoudln’t be removed from the public sphere – but they have way too much power, and things could be balanced out more.

Care to take a crack at it Canada? Your hands seem relatively blood-free.

R72104
4 years ago
progeria

“Seriously though, someone needs to take power away from Khamenei and the Guardian Council.”

What the fuck are you thinking Porktamer?

Yeah the religious right in Iran sucks. They hijacked the Iranian revolution from the leftests that started it and then killed more of them than the Shah ever did.

But the fact that you think that “someone” needs to take power away from them is hilarious. They wouldn’t even be there if the CIA had not taken Mossadeq out in the first place. That started a chain of events that led to the Islamic revival in Iran and in the region in general.

The religious right sucks in the U.S. too. But you’d be picking up arms to defend it if “someone” decided to help take it out by force.

You can’t fix anything by killing people. Coups and bloody revolutions do nothing other than cause deaths to the populace being affected. Anyone who thinks that you can peacefully change a country from the outside is a moron. It’s the Iranian people’s responsibility to change their country from within, at their own pace, without causing any more death and destruction in the process.

R72118
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

It’s the Iranian people’s responsibility to change their country from within, at their own pace, without causing any more death and destruction in the process.

Absolutely, I agree with that. But Porktamer might be saying someone within Iran should check the power of the mullahs. Then maybe the United States would not be able to get in there.

R72135
4 years ago
alpinestar

i think one of the main reasons the mullahs are so powerful is because of the constant threat from the U.S. from the persian perspective (and i have many friends there), there is this looming threat outside, and when it’s a matter of life or limb, as many in Iran (and the middle east in general) people tend to turn towards god… i think an analogy can be drawn with the U.S and the re-election of bush… people were/are afraid of another terrorist attack, so when the shit gets serious, most find religion pretty fast…

R72138
4 years ago
alpinestar

porktamer:

I think canada could take iran in a fight, for sure!! we’d even apologize afterwards!

thanks for the commercial, what a joke!

R72144
4 years ago
BurningMonk

AIPAC is also pressuring the US to support the Iranian Mujahedin-e-Khalq (National Council of Resistance of Iran) for use against Iran’s mullahs.

MEK has been legally designated a terrorist organization since 1997 for killing U.S. citizens, for its role in the 1979 seizure of the U.S. embassy in Tehran, and for attacking coalition troops in Iraq. Human Rights Watch recently condemned them for use of torture, bombings and assassinations. Nevertheless, 150 congressmen have petitioned Bush to remove them from the terrorism list, and several lawmakers spoke at their 2005 convention in Washington, D.C.

here are some interesting reads on this MEK:

csmonitor

U.S. Department of State

Post Modified: 07/27/05 01:42:36
R72151
4 years ago
SmokyTiger

I am Canada. I will not interfere in any way with the affairs of other nations. Even though I may deem those affairs to be unjust or undemocratic. I respect the fact that ideologies are relative and I will not impose my ideology. However, I do favor the concept of a global agency that enforces the basic morals of human rights. I give my money and ideas to the United Nations. I frown apon rougue nations taking the law into their own hands.

R72176
4 years ago
Twitch

PM DEMANDS QUICK PULLOUT, but will they find their way home through Iran?

R72190
4 years ago
Porktamer

Hahaha, calm down Progeria…

As Suitcaseman suggested… that “someone” could very well be the Iranian people themselves. In fact, that’s what I would prefer. I would also love it if the international community would help – you know, organizations like the UN and such…

I never said anything about force – remember the “they shouldn’t be removed from the public sphere, “ line in my post? I know that I sometimes rush my posts, but I was implying that they be kicked down a notch, not removed from power.

The Canada thing was joke… Alpine and Smoky seemed to get it.

Aside from your knee-jerk reaction – you raise some good points, though.

R72191
4 years ago
Porktamer

Reading the last two lines of my previous post – maybe I AM that retarded, Progeria.

R72729
4 years ago
progeria

naw, you’re not retarded. it’s hard to write about this crap as it’s out of our control and more complex than it looks.

alpinestar’s comment is right on the money – “i think one of the main reasons the mullahs are so powerful is because of the constant threat from the U.S.”

it’s the saddest part of the whole situation in the middle east. radical islam would not be so powerful if there wasn’t constant intervention from the U.S., Europe, Isreal, etc.

the mullahs took control of iran when there was a power vacuum after the revolution. the situation with the shah was so terrible that everything boiled over and change came way too quickly.

we’ll probably see something similar happen in saudi arabia. south america is milatirzing again and we’ll see more violence there.

this world is way too freaking small. there isn’t really anywhere that you can go which isn’t:

A. totally screwed up by western imperialism
B. under constant threat of being terrorized
C. just plain poor or environmentally degraded

except maybe for the countries that didn’t support the Iraq war and that are isolated. New Zealand seems to be pretty safe…

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