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R345497
5 months ago
Dilated_Rebel

good read.

some of the oil fields he mentioned, will be “productive” for years to come tho.

R345507
5 months ago
deaner

i think the issue still comes back to the north american way being completely unsustainable. every single aspect of our economy depends on petroleum and as that continues i think our way of life as we know it will be completely different. i hope electricity is still around so i can continue to play electric guitar. lol

R345522
5 months ago
BabelFish265

Ok, I realize this idea upsets a lot of people…

Nuclear energy is simply a good idea. This is not the 1950s or 70s anymore.
There is now such thing as safe, reliable nuclear energy.
Other than the greed of oil companies, one of the biggest things stopping it from being implemented is a long-standing paranoia.

If production and disposal of waste is handled carefully and properly, nuclear energy could be a perfect solution to the world’s energy crisis, because lets face it: fossil fuels as well as most other forms of alternative energy simply aren’t going to cut it.

R345524
5 months ago
johnnycivil

babel on nuke-o
nanosolar.com is producing panels so good and cheap it has made photovoltaics cheaper than coal, oil, or, ahem, nukes… put that in your toxic pipe and toke it…
in fact, the reason the Fedswithdrew all solar plant subsidies last week is becauyse the death of entrenched industries is looming so fast, the big fucks have shat themselves

wake up rad lover

R345545
5 months ago
dikweed

“When are they going to have products?” [Paul Maycock, president of solar-electric consulting and research firm Photovoltaic Energy Systems] asked. “When can I buy them? Show me a product that I can check the efficiency of and can get for $2 or less. I have to adopt a ‘show me’ attitude with Nanosolar, but I don’t say they can’t do it – I hope they do. We need 14 percent thin films with prices below $2 a watt right now.”

Nanosolar’s thin-film tool implies a “very significant” cost reduction, Maycock said.

P.S. Citing Need for Assessments, U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

See also, Feds call halt to new solar plant permits, may give boost to municipal installations
R345548
5 months ago
zephid

Other than the greed of oil companies, one of the biggest things stopping it from being implemented is a long-standing paranoia.

And prohibitive cost.

And the decade it takes to build a plant.

Paranoia takes third to pragmatism here.

R345549
5 months ago
johnnycivil

decade to build a plant… nanosolar is supplying orders to customers worldwide who buy a half-million sq ft.

if and when they liscense the process or others make their own breakthoughs expect retail availability

blueridgenano.com has a test panel from them that they say works fine…

R345584
5 months ago
Disenchanted

“If production and disposal of waste is handled carefully and properly, “ – there’s the rub..

Also Uranium is a finite resource.

R345587
5 months ago
Szamko

You’d get the same political problems as with oil too. Sourcing from dodgy regimes that you feel the need to prop up, along with the chance of having your uranium ships hijacked by terrorists/pirates and then….

R345611
5 months ago
verisimilar

I looked up one day and saw this crazy light in the sky that blew my mind right out of my ass. They say that it is always on somewhere in the world. I also remember hearing about this thing called the wind. Apparently, it fucking blows. I have also heard that a shitload of heat comes from under the ground. Must be from Hell.

PS – Radioactive shit is fucking retarded. Period.

R345614
5 months ago
HEMPforVICTORY

I think most of us know where HEMP for Victory !!! stands on the issue of transition away from the insanity of our petro-dominated march to disaster.

Also Uranium is a finite resource.

Hemp on the other hand is a true renewable.

I suppose if the folks who are pushing for the nuclear expansion solution were to get their way — and they are coming out of the woodwork (damn termites) — were a Chernobyl to occur, our friend hemp would be ready to help clean up (phyto-remediate) the radioactive mess done to the soil.

HEMP for VICTORY !!!

Post Modified: 07/01/08 13:56:02
R345615
5 months ago
Livingston

great article.

I looked up one day and saw this crazy light in the sky that blew my mind right out of my ass. They say that it is always on somewhere in the world. I also remember hearing about this thing called the wind. Apparently, it fucking blows. I have also heard that a shitload of heat comes from under the ground. Must be from Hell.

PS – Radioactive shit is fucking retarded. Period.

well put.

does the “developed” world need more energy? is there any energy source that will not go towards fueling an ultimately unsustainable culture? do we have any proxy for “development” and use of energy that does not come at the expense of nature?

opps, hey team humans… i dink we may have needed that whole rainforest and biodiversity stuff…
something about water cycling err ugh climate and the dang ol feedback loops… what with soil retention and so on not that im a tropical biologist or nothing i just figured you know trees and plants and the whole life and ecosystem thingy was kinda cooler than fueling my tin can with wheels

/mumbles on and on, twitching, cussing, and citing ecology studies on the death of the planet…

Post Modified: 07/01/08 12:51:12
R345616
5 months ago
HughJarse

this ‘team humans’ shit is getting mighty stale

R345617
5 months ago
Livingston

its ok
they will be gone soon

R345618
5 months ago
HEMPforVICTORY

The question is, will they starve or freeze?

R345624
5 months ago
zephid

one then the other

R345656
5 months ago
Dilated_Rebel

We can’t solve the question regarding climate change, and now were supposed to produce tons and tons radioactive shit we don’t even know how to dispose of, worse of all it will contaminate the soil for centuries.

I agree with Livingston. today’s consumer culture and society is unsustainable. Consumers have been misled into believing we could consume endlessly without reprcussions. Well turns out we cant. somebody should burst that bubble. Will it be Obama?

Don’t hold your breath, It’s preferrable to die from climate change than catch some freaking radioactive herpes.

R345684
5 months ago
Livingston

climate change can be brought under control, but not from within the existing power structures and culture.
fortunately those are falling apart.

reforestation of the tropics, biochar, and decarbonize industry and transport. now.

wanna bust the bubble?
cuz obama ain’t gonna

take it to the streets

pop!

R345704
5 months ago
Dilated_Rebel

“reforestation of the tropics, biochar, and decarbonize industry and transport. now.”

My main concern is the first part.

can the clear cut areas of the rainforest, even support a “reforestation” program?

I have my doubts.

And busting the bubble takes revolutionizing the education, media and government itself.

Take that to the streets!! (the ones the govt. does let u protest on, u know the small ones far from any important buildings and or events).

R345715
5 months ago
Livingston

yeah, lots of clearcut areas have really nutrient-poor soils. most new world tropical soils cycle nutrients right out of the leaf litter and decaying organic stuff – deforest and you lose that layer – the soils become depleted and rich in iron and aluminum compounds which bind nutrients.

it can certainly be done though – we have sufficient understanding of nutrient cycling to really get things going… and theres tonssssssss of deforested land that would not take too much work to reforest in the tropics.

we send fucking mankeys to the moon – of course we can plant plants. they know how to do their thing.

we need the social movement and political power. redirect industry to reforest, and get funky. fuck planting trees on tree farms only – i’ve seen arable soil in deserted lots on just about every other city block in costa rican slums. reforest the cities, let bums eat fruit and grow weed. get em off crack. hammocks, herb, and a garden to tend to – bums will fucking love it.

the important thing is to forget about going through the “could this work or not” crap. who fucking cares. if it doesnt work we fry but at least we tried. either way we’re probably hosed. fuck it.

revolution or extinction.

Post Modified: 07/02/08 16:36:17
R345723
5 months ago
Dilated_Rebel

Amen Livingston.

But you know what the problem is? Capital.

That empty lot in the city, well its much too “valuable” to let the common folk plant their “vegetable” garden. Why this entrepreneur from Paris can make it condominiums.

Proof of this is found in Los Angeles’s own south-central farm where such a place had a existed and is now certain to be lost.

And why?

our contemporary belief in “progress” and “growth” which perhaps economically speaking makes sense. But in cultural/social terms the externalities caused by this so-caleld growth, is destroying mankind and the world along with it.

This all reminds me of Pliny the younger of 1st century rome; arguably the time period in which the empire reached its pinnacle. While the aristocracy was seeing booming times, he saw rome’s weakness in that the people were not happy. they were virtually all slaves. had absolutely no voice. He didn’t see the mythical proud Roman ploughing his land and raising his family. He saw slaves working the land, endless war, famines, etc.

Get it???

It won’t be until we revolutionize our value system, individually, that real progress won’t be made. should we value GDP & unsustaibale growth over humanity and nature? seems to me we do. now most gnn’ers are well informed. but how many people on the outside would be able to contribute so as to further the discussion down the right track? Probably not many. they’ll just repeat the tired old lines the media and school have given them. that must change.

Education 2 Revolution!!!

I think it funny that some people would look to an artist for real life issues.

Post Modified: 07/02/08 18:37:42
R345727
5 months ago
Livingston

hell yes.

but how many people on the outside would be able to contribute so as to further the discussion down the right track? Probably not many. they’ll just repeat the tired old lines the media and school have given them. that must change.

testify

spit

mash on dem keys

peace

R345865
5 months ago
deaner

well it seems like Obama is quite intent on Nuclear energy, i wonder where his campaign contributions came from?

agreed about starvation over radioactive herpes

R345866
5 months ago
deaner

McDonalds could always deep fry the toxic waste and add it to their value menu. any takers?

R345874
5 months ago
HEMPforVICTORY

‘lots of clearcut areas have really nutrient-poor soils.’

HEMP is a net-nutrient plant, and is perfectly suited for tropical climates.

HEMP for Victory !!!

Post Modified: 07/04/08 12:11:53
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