why put this on the front page below EiE?

congrats Liv, Szam!!

sweet, will read this after work, and agreed, should be number 1, definitely above any compilations

thanks.

here are some supplemental articles regarding abrupt shifts, tipping points, feedback, and rapid climate change:

Abrupt Non-Linear Climate Change, Irreversibility and Surprise

Unfortunately, most climate change assessments rarely consider low-probability, but high consequence extreme events. Instead, they primarily consider scenarios that supposedly “bracket the uncertainty” rather than explicitly integrate unlikely events from the “tails of the distribution.” Not even considered in the standard analytical works are structural changes in political or economic systems or regime shifts such as a change in public consciousness regarding environmental values. Although researchers may recognize the wide range of uncertainty surrounding global climate change, their analyses are typically surprise-free. Thus, decision-makers reading the “standard” literature will rarely appreciate the full range of possible outcomes, and thus might be more willing to risk adapting to prospective changes rather than attempting to avoid them through abatement than if they were aware that some potentially unpleasant surprises could be lurking (pleasant ones might occur as well, but many policymakers tend to insure against negative outcomes preferentially).

This paper is out of date considering the massive 2007 summer arctic ice melt. We already have significant evidence of non-linear events occuring – they are no longer low probability. While we wait for mainstream culture and governments to adjust to reality the issues are compounding and hightening.

Non-linear Climate Change

Short, easy to read blurb on non-linear change by the world climate report

Climate surprise wikipedia

“Tipping point on horizon for Greenland ice

OSLO (Reuters) – Global warming this century could trigger a runaway thaw of Greenland’s ice sheet and other abrupt shifts such as a dieback of the Amazon rainforest, scientists said on Monday.

They urged governments to be more aware of “tipping points” in nature, tiny shifts that can bring big and almost always damaging changes such as a melt of Arctic summer sea ice or a collapse of the Indian monsoon.

I believe hemp and cockroaches will thrive in the New World Climate Order …

Not too sure what use a cockroach is, but hemp has over 25,000 uses …. including FOOOOOOOOOOOD and OOOOIIIIIILLLLLL

Hemp Brownie or Cockroach Salad. Take your pick.

HEMP for Victory!!!

WARNING, BULLSHIT ALERT

WARNING, BULLSHIT ALERT

It’s so nice of Bacchus to start putting this warning on his posts; one would hope that he would start putting this warning before any post he makes.

When I encounter climate change skeptics I ask them “how much time have you actually spent in wild country?” How much time in actual glacial or mountain terrain? To me the skepticism reeks of someone who has not spent much time on the landscape witnessing the rapid environmental changes that are occurring. Sorry to make myself sound old, but in two decades I have seen how change is occurring in a number of significant mountain ranges through out the Americas. It is good to question the political manipulations accompanying climate change. Yet drastic changes are happening fast, and a glaciers retreat is not something that can be faked. The implications are serious.

I have never been to Greenland but I have colleagues that have climbed on Baffin Island, and they report major changes in lack of ice on water bodies etc. What is happening in Greenland is of massive importance.

Congrats GNN on getting these guys published up front and in color. Brilliant collaboration.

im not sure if bacchus is calling bullshit on hemp for victory (which is no bullshit) or preluding his posts.

i can only wait in eager anticipation of irrelevant graphs and data from exxonmobile experts.

tango – any comments on the article? there’s still a good bit of debate on a lot of the paleoclimate evidence for abrupt shifts – when and how fast the thermohaline conductor collapsed, the time period for the desertification of Sahara…

i think what we must recognize is that relatively rapid shifts occured in the past without anthropogenic forcing and the combined and compounding effects of human pressure on a global scale (massive deforestation, upset of nutrient cycles, conversion of over 50% of arable land, so on) is likely to elicit some unprecedented responses from the same systems.

Yet drastic changes are happening fast, and a glaciers retreat is not something that can be faked. The implications are serious. To me the skepticism reeks of someone who has not spent much time on the landscape witnessing the rapid environmental changes that are occurring.

yeah, if you are actually out there living and working in the places we are discussing you cannot deny the changes. for those of us who actually care about the environment and wild nature what’s happening is terrifying.

last time i visited Colorado the devastation from the pine beetles (linked to climate change) was horrible.
loss of these forests and increasing fires will be another of the many feedbacks.

Warmer temperatures have allowed beetles to survive farther north and at higher elevations.

“This is the kind of feedback we’re all very worried about in the carbon cycle — a warming planet leading to, in this case, an insect outbreak that increases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, which can increase warming,” said Andy Jacobson, a carbon cycle scientist for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Boulder, Colo.

link

im researching terra preta, tropical reforestation and biochar schemes for carbon sequestration right now… should be able to include this stuff in the next article.

we have the technology and knowledge to begin to restore the carbon imbalance – we need goverments and society to help impliment them.

thanks, manyhues.

I’m with Bacchus.

good to knwo floydanderson. you and bacchus represent a formidable intellectual force that we from the NWO must one day reckon wit and destroy.
so far i dink we have the masses on our side.

hey, check it out – kids are so gullible:

1.5 Million Chinese Children Take Part in Painting Competition on Climate Change

Nairobi, 8 May 2008 – An unprecedented 1.5 million Chinese children have participated in a painting competition on the topic of climate change, in a sign of the country’s growing awareness of environmental issues.

muhahaha! New World Order all the way!

So you’re a compromised NWO propagandist eco-nazi who takes pleasure in warping people’s minds

I’ve noticed how you like to call people retards etc. if they don’t go along with your propaganda. Not too cool.

Liv, what do you think of David Mayer de Rothschild?

“So you’re a compromised NWO propagandist eco-nazi who takes pleasure in warping people’s minds”

You should check back into whatever nuthouse you just escaped from.

Great work, by the way. Eminently readable and although bacchus and floyd’s unassailable arguments poked some holes in the article, it still stands up pretty well…

I hope it gets warm enough in the UK so I can grown bananas. The ones we get from South America are shit (just had one – tasted like a tampon).

I would like to see a 7 degree (Celsius) increase in global temperature.

I don’t understand Liv’s bipolar position.
One minute he’s all “apocalypse, party time, excellent” like the problem is so bad it’s going to shorten our lifespans.
The next minute he’s saying “we have the technology, we can rebuild it”.
Are we fucked or not?

I don’t see how you can be encouraged by UN sponsored coloring competition.
I mean, don’t get me wrong…

Are we fucked or not?

heh. you never knwo

Great work, by the way. Eminently readable and although bacchus and floyd’s unassailable arguments poked some holes in the article, it still stands up pretty well…

heh. yeah. they debate rages on.

I’ve noticed how you like to call people retards etc. if they don’t go along with your propaganda. Not too cool.

remind me one day to explain the rules of the global warming denial drinking game to you, retard.

so far this thread is keeping us sober. cmon gang… one irrelevant graph and we’re off.

Some of you may have wondered why, after years posting here, I left.

It’s because of posts like this:

WARNING, BULLSHIT ALERT

So you’re a compromised NWO propagandist eco-nazi who takes pleasure in warping people’s minds

And then, when anybody with a functioning frontal lobe and a sense of humor calls them illiterate fuckbags and tells them that they’re polluting an otherwise eminently reasonable, interesting article’s comment thread with jabbering bullshit and Alex Jones-caliber paranoid bullshit, they get all whiny.

I’ve noticed how you like to call people retards etc. if they don’t go along with your propaganda. Not too cool.

Yes, Floyd, you’re a friggin’ retard. Your contempt for science, your subliterate paranoia, and your ideas about global warming are the mark of a dangerously compromised critical thinking facility. In short, you’re a retard. Don’t like it? Go post about it on Prison Pwaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhnet.

SNARK = FIVE

heh

This is a great article. My only criticism is the grammatical errors throughout the piece. It wasn’t quite ready to hit the front page as is…but whatever. Anthony is the one ultimately responsible.

Great to see ya at the G again, Snark.

:-)

yeah Snark, you’re awesome

ever heard of the Club of Rome?

Goddamn, you’re a retard.

The elitist snobs of gnn don’t take kindly to valid criticisms.
The obvious flaws and totalitarian overtones of the carbon tax scam render any serious discussion on the subject taboo, as any even superficial analysis could lead to other uncomfortable questions.

Those meagre minds wholly cultivated with the educated ignorance of our prussian based system of schooling, when confronted with information that contradicts their own brand of dogma, have little recourse other than to revert to the obfuscational jargon of their unnecessarily convoluted discourse of scientism, in a thoroughly habituated effort to veil the essence of the matter behind a members-only language inaccessable to the uninitiated.

Or, if confronted with an equally obtuse parataxis from other members within the church of scientism, to resort to a childlike ridicule and defensive vitriol even apr could be proud of.

Those with a vested lifelong interest in our compromised (by design) educational (indoctrinational) establishment are behest to their own well groomed and exploited egos, unaware of how their paradigms have been prescriptively customized over the course of their state run lifetimes.

Any information that threatens that paradigm is also a threat to that ego and is subject to any and all manner of reactionary berzerkery. So here at gnn, independent thinkers have become accustomed to being accosted and talked down to by self aggrandized gerbils with superiority complexes. Generally, the more valid and inarguable the criticism, the more pretentious and infantile the response.

It’s gotten to the point here at gnn where even the more intelligent (albeit tailored) scientismists, such as livingston, have little to contribute other than strings of assinine and unimaginative insults — the word retard is popular — which typically go unreciprocated by the independent thinker/initiator. Any comment which is critical of any one aspect, such as the carbon tax, is responded to with an eerie obliviousness as to the specifics wherein even if that individual accepts the general premise of anthropogenic climate change, he is labeled a denier. The cumulative effect of all this one sided dumbassery is a degredation of the scientismist argument, which is unfortunate. Actual scientific discourse demands an openness which scientism cannot endure.

Ofcourse, it doesn’t help that tensions are systematically inflamed by trolls. Our divisions are to remain unbridgable. Your egos are to be stroked and your self righteousness reinforced by transparently disingenuous apoligists such as apr or fennec, who’ve recently changed their names in unison, adopting titles such as science and criticalthinking in an effort to superficially inflate their ere of credibility.
And while they ingraciate themselves to your majesties you will overlook any and all examples of their dishonourable nature. But that’s another matter i guess.

So it goes.

when exactly did “WARNING – BULLSHIT ALERT” or “So you’re a compromised NWO propagandist eco-nazi who takes pleasure in warping people’s minds” become valid criticisms?

thanks snark. glad yer back in the game. shit. i guess i gotta PM you about the rules for the climate denial drinkin game. science, remarcus, anyone else in? its quite fun…

yeah rich sorry about the grammar but i never wuz to goode at english i figured id neva have the chance to go all over there to england so why learn the silly idioma, right?

heh. planet dies/melts, scientists call for radical immediate action, people at computers post alex jones videos and fret over grammar.

love you guys. good work.
heh and meh.

“valid criticisms”

Like this

or this?

“The obvious flaws and totalitarian overtones of the carbon tax scam”

Are you this fucking stupid or did you not read the article?

“Those meagre minds wholly cultivated with the educated ignorance of our prussian based system of schooling, when confronted with information that contradicts their own brand of dogma, have little recourse other than to revert to the obfuscational jargon of their unnecessarily convoluted discourse of scientism, in a thoroughly habituated effort to veil the essence of the matter behind a members-only language inaccessable to the uninitiated.”

So you’re saying that since you can’t understand or argue with the science you’re going to whine about the tone of the scientists on gnn. Just say that then. Inventing words like “scientism” and “obfuscatonal” may be more fun, but ultimately they’re just going to give you carpal tunnel.

please don’t make me plot an insult graph, toad.

so eh bodo got any insight on the article?

floydanderson and bhacchus’ comments were really thought provoking

what you got

and you expect us to take yall seriously?

cmon guys

i kinda wish you would

how far back would such a graph go?

I’d be delighted, but it’s gonna have to be water for me…haha, was going to make a drinking game flavored insult to a member of the forum but fuck it…

I recently asked a zealous climate change scientist (in person) how he accounts for co2 increases preceding global temperature rises by an average of 700 years.

Before quickly changing the subject he stuttered and said it was too complicated to explain. Then he reassured me by telling me how long he’s been involved in the academic discourse, listing off all his credentials and accomplishments over his lifetime. After this he seemed to feel much better. It was really quite pathetic.

mmm, anecdotal

how far back would such a graph go?

Since Gore’s film came out?

“Since Gore’s film came out?”

That’s when global warming came on your radar, huh? Kudos to Gore on a job well done, then.

you done that graph yet, Science? Be sure to superimpose the insult graph over the co2 graph, that way we know you’re not being a filthy liar.

I think you’re confused.

You think I invented the word ‘scientism’?

I think you need another name change.

when exactly did “WARNING – BULLSHIT ALERT” or “So you’re a compromised NWO propagandist eco-nazi who takes pleasure in warping people’s minds” become valid criticisms?

Exactly. The moment Bacchus stops being an asshat is the moment I stop treating him like one. Until then, fuck off, stop whining, and take it like men.

Bodo-

Our divisions are to remain unbridgable.

And rightly so. No offense, but there’s no bridging rational thought and irrational prejudice. And rightly so.

It’s gotten to the point here at gnn where even the more intelligent (albeit tailored) scientismists, such as livingston, have little to contribute other than strings of assinine and unimaginative insults — the word retard is popular — which typically go unreciprocated by the independent thinker/initiator.

No, they just call us eco-nazis. But that’s just an honest expression of their views, eh? Because acting like an asshole is bad if you’re a paternalist scientism-imperialist (or whatever the fuck) and ok if you’re challenging same, right?

I recently asked a zealous climate change scientist (in person) how he accounts for co2 increases preceding global temperature rises by an average of 700 years.

If he couldn’t answer that, he didn’t know his shit. The reason that CO2 and temperature have, in the past, been decoupled is that it’s only been in this century that CO2 has been the primary climate forcing mechanism. In the past, global warming has been caused by solar irradiance cycles, orbital irregularities, and volcanism. CO2 was a bit player at that time. At present, those forcings are not increasing commensurate with the rise in temperature, and atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases (CO2, NOx, CH4, and, locally, water vapor) have become the primary influence on climate. The fact that, in the past, CO2 followed climate changes rather than following them has no bearing on the fact that CO2 is driving climate changes now.

Your question, which I can tell you thought was hella cutting and impressive and scored a hell of a point against that imperialist paternalist paradigm of male-led scientific dogma blah blah blah, does nothing but demonstrate your ignorance of the science you reject, so pretentiously and at such great length.

And speaking of which:

Those meagre minds wholly cultivated with the educated ignorance of our prussian based system of schooling, when confronted with information that contradicts their own brand of dogma, have little recourse other than to revert to the obfuscational jargon of their unnecessarily convoluted discourse of scientism, in a thoroughly habituated effort to veil the essence of the matter behind a members-only language inaccessable to the uninitiated.

Somewhere, the god of irony just took a huge bong rip, ate a cookie, and started giggling uncontrollably. Nobody who writes a sentence like “...have little recourse other than to revert to the obfuscational jargon of their unnecessarily convoluted discourse of scientism” EVER gets to bitch about anybody’s obfuscational jargon, for any reason. Especially when nobody in this thread used language anywhere near that dense and pretentious before you weighted in.

Any comment which is critical of any one aspect, such as the carbon tax,

I’m sorry, are carbon taxes part of the scientific literature on global warming? Are we talking about science here, or policy? Do you recognize that the science and the policy of global warming are two separate things? It’s entirely possible to accept the scientific literature without supporting the policies being suggested to combat it. If you want to talk about carbon tax, let’s talk about the friggin’ carbon tax, and if you want to talk about climatology, let’s talk about that. But don’t conflate the two out of intellectual laziness.

That said, I think your opposition to the carbon tax is more rooted in Alex Jones-style paranoiac-libertarianism than it is in a cogent beef with proposed carbon tax policies, given my past interactions with you on the topic, but if you want to talk about that, pick another thread.

Those meagre minds wholly cultivated with the educated ignorance of our prussian based system of schooling, when confronted with information that contradicts their own brand of dogma, have little recourse other than to revert to the obfuscational jargon of their unnecessarily convoluted discourse of scientism, in a thoroughly habituated effort to veil the essence of the matter behind a members-only language inaccessable to the uninitiated.

Jeez. You use language that unpenetrable and you can accuse the GNN “snobs” of being “elitist”???

Anyhow, regardless of the accusations of NWO involvement and elitism, hopefully this article can be the basis of others which explore the roots of our ecological crisis and whether or not we can do anything about it.

I guess that’s not for everyone, but for all those interested please do hang in there.

Do you recognize that the science and the policy of global warming are two separate things? It’s entirely possible to accept the scientific literature without supporting the policies being suggested to combat it. If you want to talk about carbon tax, let’s talk about the friggin’ carbon tax, and if you want to talk about climatology, let’s talk about that. But don’t conflate the two out of intellectual laziness.

Can you explain all that to Livingston plz? fanx

Exactly. The moment Bacchus stops being an asshat is the moment I stop treating him like one. Until then, fuck off, stop whining, and take it like men.

LOL, “like men”. Grrr, snark is butch.
You have always treated people who disagree with you in the same manner, whether they are rude or not.
And you’ve always hidden behind your “hey, I am snark after all” excuse.

Livingston has benn a prick recently. All insults and disengagement. He wrecks these guys threads so they wreck his.
It’s too far gone for anyone to really claim moral high ground so stop it.
Take it like men.

Any educational psychologist will tell you that kids who cannot get attention by being good will behave badly to see if that works. Kids look for strokes, and prefer it if they are positive. If you give them the positive strokes they will repeat the behaviors that bring on the warm feeling. However they will go for negative strokes rather than no attention at all. And if you react when the scamps behave badly they will keep on doing it.
I guess I could just have said “Ignore the Troll”. Sorry!

hilarious commentary! i’ll stay out of this one, except to say:

the “eco-nazi” or “eco-fascist” label was thought up by Ron Arnold and the Wise Use boys…

As is the term “eco-terrorism/terrorist”.

“Our goal is to destroy the environmental movement”~Ron Arnold

how great would it be to meet bodo in person?

It would probably be about as fun as meeting Ron Arnold.

Compiling and reviewing the most up to date and emerging observations of climate change as well as those of current greenhouse gas emissions gives a bleak and urgent image: both the effects of warming as well as predicted emissions rises have been grossly underestimated in even the worst-case scenario predictions of most major reports from past data. The planet is barreling full-throttle into a global climate disaster and its time for societies to react in response to the severity of the situation.

A. Water vapor is a GHG.
B. Human alterations to the planet’s hydrological cycle increase the amount of water vapor in the troposphere.

While the residence time of water vapor is relatively short (about 9 days) and for this reason is largely being ignored by most in this debate, the residence time of water in deep groundwater reservoirs, that are currently being pumped and utilized far faster than they can recharge, is estimated to be about 10,000 years.

Continental runoff, diverted from the oceans directly back to the troposphere, would have been held reserve if this water had reached the ocean an average residence time of 3,200 years.

We are constantly upsetting, by virtue of our agricultural activity, damming and irrigation the former equilibrium of this planet’s hydrological system, which is without debate, the primary means by which this planet maintains a habitable temperature and redistributes incoming solar energy.

Any reasonable debate of anthropogenic climate influence must include estimates of historical, current and future impacts of anthropogenic alterations to the hydrological cycle.

Absent the inclusion and reasonable estimates of this anthropogenic impact, there is no debate, just more CO2 centric propaganda and trace gas hysteria.

Peace,

I think hunta is getting his “theory” mixed up with religion.

It’s as good a religion as any. Incorrect and not based in reality, but what religion is? Anyway, I got some girl scout cookie (Edy’s) thinmint ice cream from the store the other day. This may be off topic, but it’s fucking delicious.

do they have tagalong ice cream? Because that is, in my opinion, the best that the girl scouts offer.

I love me those thinmints…not sure, didn’t notice any of the other flavors. Will check next time I’m at the store, only unfortunate thing is it’s only for a limited time.

GWH, I don’t understand your emphasis on damming and hydroelectric energy as big factors in human’s interference with the otherwise natural climate.

Surely the influence is much greater in nuclear energy production where reactors are built on rivers precisely because the water is needed to cool off the fuel rods.
The resultant water may not be radioactive nor toxic but it is undoubtably hotter.
Recall that Three-Mile Island melted down precisely because of water pump failure.

Isn’t hydroelectric power the cleanest and most renewable form of energy?

The article is good in terms of content but the form is not congruent. The sentences are too long and often have the important point at the very end rather than the beginning.

Perhaps I read Bodo’s post wrong but I thought he was spoofing the form while still making valid observations.

Snark, you want to distinguish science from policy.
There are two problems:
Objective (public funded) science is great but subjective science (private interest) can be no more than a predetermined advertisement which of course lacks credibilty.

Secondly, the real, concrete “policies” are implemented without any public discussion. Examples include chemtrails and DU dispersal~very expensive policies which “officially” don’t even exist.

Livingston has benn a prick recently. All insults and disengagement. He wrecks these guys threads so they wreck his.

heh. insults, disengagement, headlines and articles. hey, speaking of which when is the NWO crews article explaining their theory coming out. im still a bit confused about how stopping the war and reforesting the tropics fits into our evil overlords scheme.

lets see an article dudes.

If you want to talk about carbon tax, let’s talk about the friggin’ carbon tax, and if you want to talk about climatology, let’s talk about that. But don’t conflate the two out of intellectual laziness.

Can you explain all that to Livingston plz? fanx

yeah, the problem here is that these people do not actually have any idea about the political or scientific aspects of global change.

the funniest thing is that they probably believe that by spending massive amounts of energy arguing against the scientific consensus they are doing humanity a favor by waking us up to the paranoid delusions of alex jones.

have any of you guys ever investigated or worked with deforestation, invasive species, nutrient imbalance, climate change or any other ecological field study?

have you ever noticed all the people here on GNN who hold opinions opposite of yours are experts (or at least somewhat experienced) working in these fields?

Absent the inclusion and reasonable estimates of this anthropogenic impact, there is no debate, just more CO2 centric propaganda and trace gas hysteria.

hilarious as always. yes water vapor is a powerful greenhouse gas but it has different effects at different altitudes. you cite no legit information indicating that human changes to groundwater contribute directly to warming.

some scientists are actually proposing to create low lying clouds to slow global warming. the effects of water vapor depend on where its at.

regardless, the ocean is also acidifying rapidly due to uptake of CO2. your vapor theory doesn’t explain that.

sigh. if you poor retards could only read a little deeper into what im doing here on the GNN, you’d realize that im a part of the NWO agenda. look, we’re so powerful that i can actually explain that we are using global warming to scare the world into driving less and supporting ecological worldviews and you poor peons still wont be able to convince anyone of the truth: that all us scientists work for the global elite and will have you slaving in salt mines for eternity through the use of global warming or taxes or something.

muhuhhahahah! (cracks the wip)

Snark, Liv… love youse guys.

Now back to the motherfuckin’ salt-mines to hatch another Pretentious douchebag biology ninja cabal plot!

Perhaps I read Bodo’s post wrong but I thought he was spoofing the form while still making valid observations.

Thanks.

by waking us up to the paranoid delusions of alex jones.

Holy shit. Livingston, please read something other than eco-periodicals and derrick jensen (whom i enjoy) before it is too late. You seem to have no clue what is happening outside of your own narrow field of study, and its turning you into an upgraded apr clone.

pretty please?

please read something other than eco-periodicals and derrick jensen

ie: www.prisonplanet.com

I recently asked a zealous climate change scientist (in person) how he accounts for co2 increases preceding global temperature rises by an average of 700 years

you are an gullible imbecile on the internet, so I can’t imagine that you are much more intelligent in person, the scientist may have just been trying to not waste time by attempting to explain something to you that is beyond your intellectual capacity

Actually, I think that’s a major problem with this academic ilk. Way too many assumptions floating around, not enough inquisitiveness. You all need desperately to broaden your field of investigation. Sure, it might mean you’re slightly less than the best eco-nerd you can be, but when you open your mouth on anything other than eco-collapse you won’t sound like…

explain something to you that is beyond your intellectual capacity

apr, we’ve reached a point of familiarity where you hurt the credibility of whoever you agree with.

thank god I don’t agree with alex jones then, that man needs all the credibility he can get!

I like having bodo around. He makes everyone else here on GNN feel smart.

here, you can start by learning what happened to you. If you actually bother to read this i’ll send you a box of organic maple syrup.

people that are educated are less likely to buy into bullshit that alex jones and co. sell. I can definitely understand your fear of schools teaching kids critical thinking bodo. They might start believing in science and global warming then.

bodo… you still don’t get it do you?

we’re all working for them

and we’re coming to tax you

your taxes pay for me to stay funded, drunk and ranting about environmental crap
i haven’t worked a real job in years
all i have to do i write a grant proposal from time to time and keep the peons scared
of crazy made up stuff like the destruction of our oceans, pollution, extinction of species…

do you really expect me to read or care about any of your retarded ideas?
i have hammock related eco-nazi work to get back to

NWO all teh way foos

I wouldn’t worry apr, they probably won’t read it anyways. So i’ll just post a couple fun quotes to makes meself feel better:

The thesis I venture to submit to you is as follows: That during the past forty or fifty years those who are responsible for education have progressively removed from the curriculum of studies the Western culture which produced the modern democratic state; That the schools and colleges have, therefore, been sending out into the world men who no longer understand the creative principle of the society in which they must live; That deprived of their cultural tradition, the newly educated Western men no longer possess in the form and substance of their own minds and spirits and ideas, the premises, the rationale, the logic, the method, the values of the deposited wisdom which are the genius of the development of Western civilization; That the prevailing education is destined, if it continues, to destroy Western civilization and is in fact destroying it.

I realize quite well that this thesis constitutes a sweeping indictment of modern education. But I believe the indictment is justified and here is a prima facie case for entering this indictment.

— Walter Lippmann, speaking before the Association for the Advancement of Science, December 29, 1940

The erroneous assumption is to the effort that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence….Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues, and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else.
-H.L. Mencken

Take at hazard one hundred children of several educated generations and one hundred uneducated children of the people and compare them in anything you please; in strength, in agility, in mind, in the ability to acquire knowledge, even in morality—and in all respects you are startled by the vast superiority on the side of the children of the uneducated.
— Count Leo Tolstoy, “Education and Children” (1862)

Whoever controls the image and information of the past determines what and how future generations will think; whoever controls the information and images of the present determines how those same people will view the past.1
— George Orwell, 1984 (1949)

Today’s corporate sponsors want to see their money used in ways to line up with business objectives…. This is a young generation of corporate sponsors and they have discovered the advantages of building long-term relationships with educational institutions.
— Suzanne Cornforth of Paschall & Associates, public relations consultants. As quoted in The New York Times, July 15, 1998

Most people don’t know who controls American education because little attention has been given the question by either educators or the public. Also because the question is not easily or neatly answered
— James D. Koerner, Who Controls American Education (1968)

I have undertaken to get at the facts from the point of view of the business men—citizens of the community who, after all, pay the bills and, therefore, have a right to say what they shall have in their schools.
— Charles H. Thurber, from an address at the Annual Meeting of the National Education Association, July 9, 1897

It was natural businessmen should devote themselves to something besides business; that they should seek to influence the enactment and administration of laws, national and international, and that they should try to control education.
— Max Otto, Science and the Moral Life (1949)

A lower middle class which has received secondary or even university education without being given any corresponding outlet for its trained abilities was the backbone of the twentieth century Fascist Party in Italy and the National Socialist Party in Germany. The demoniac driving force which carried Mussolini and Hitler to power was generated out of this intellectual proletariat’s exasperation at finding its painful efforts at self-improvement were not sufficient — Arnold Toynbee, MA Study of History

Education is the modern world’s temporal religion…
— Bob Chase, president, National Education Association, NEA TODAY, April 1997

Don’t let schooling interfere with your education.
-Twain

do you really expect me to read or care about any of your retarded ideas?

Liv, I’m sincerely saddened to say I’ve lost all respect for you.
It takes a special kind of guy to trash someone just for having learned things you are unwilling to learn yourself.

I never knew you were so mean spirited. Really disheartening.

people that are educated are less likely to buy into bullshit that alex jones and co. sell.

not to make you look even sillier than you already do, apr, but the author of that book was teacher of the year for new york state and city three years in a row.
Alex Jones whaa?