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R316529
1 year ago
mtnlungta

you can beat them to bloody pulps but unfortunately liv …you woulda had to have changed them back in about 1974 i figure
an theres no goin back
ahead —-full speed ——i figure
survival of the fittest
which means money for mankeys
and standing on the right corner for any outher speicies
hey —-get lucky lil lizard who knows
its all a little late -i fear – sorry
blessings

Post Modified: 12/07/07 00:05:19
R316560
1 year ago
Snark

as scientists and policy planners working from within the rules, regulations, values and morality of the dominant culture you have and will continue to fail miserable to achieve any meaningful progress towards adapting to the anthropogenic destruction of the planet.

Word the fuck up.

R316575
1 year ago
Disenchanted

Hmm is it time to find the reset button and start over?

R316589
1 year ago
Snark

We’re already pressing it, methinks.

R316628
1 year ago
Livingston

its all a little late -i fear – sorry

late for what, though?

everyday we lose 50 to 150 species, the planet gets more polluted, more people die in needless war, the future gets darker…

everyday is an opportunity to be aware, to experience what we have and contribute to making it better
it will never be too late for that

the doomsday clock says 5 minutes to midnight
i always liked to stay up to see the sun rise
i learned it in some song
“no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn”

we already won the war. all of these behaviors – the consumption, the mass violence – they are maladaptive. they will be selected out. we just have
to learn to live through the battles, to lose them with style, courage, grit, and joy.
whether or not a species that is reflectively aware of life makes it through the bottleneck is irrelevant. life will continue on like it did after the other 5 mass extinctions.

peace

R316630
1 year ago
Livingston

heh. thanks snark. are you in colorado still?

things are rolling fast here in MV

you should visit sometime

R316633
1 year ago
Memnoch06

Scientists are like badly dressed Jehovah’s Witnesses.

R316713
1 year ago
Livingston

heh. i have a lab coat without sleaves. i am teh best at science.

R316744
1 year ago
itnazrab

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R316745
1 year ago
itnazrab

fuck

R316747
1 year ago
itnazrab

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R316748
1 year ago
itnazrab

aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhrgrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggg

R316775
1 year ago
nullbull

Honestly, we have 3 choices –

1.) Pour yourself a nice, fossil fuel heated bath, put on your favorite Portishead/Morissey song and slit your wrists in the tub. Thanks a shitload for contributing jack shit. Oh, no… wait. You contributed pessimism. Thanks, we all feel a little shittier now.

2.) Fiddle while the earth burns. Read up on Paris Hilton and beat off to internet porn. Drive your Hummer. Totally fuck some hot chicks in Vegas.

3.) Get off your ass and try to make something better. I don’t buy the argument that this process BEGINS with “recognition of the problem,” by which you really mean “feel really, really, really, really guilty about what shitty stewards of our planet and future we turned out to be.”

I choose #3… like this:

If you actually want to be a part of affecting the changes required to deliver the global human population into sustainability i suggest beginning to step outside of the methods, procedures, and norms of western culture.

Word. I’m totally on it. I would rather die hopeful than die hopeless.

R316801
1 year ago
Snark

heh. thanks snark. are you in colorado still?

Yeah, but things have changed a bit. Left my old advisor’s lab because I realized that I hated most of what I was doing with him, started doing stuff with changes in grassland communities in response to disturbance from climate and N deposition. Finally sinking my teeth back into some real, hardcore, old-skool ecology, instead of fucking around with bacterial genomics. It’s goddamned wonderful. It’s a lot of what Buck does, actually, which is just a little appropriate because I never did or liked molecular shit in undergrad…

Post Modified: 12/08/07 11:10:34
R316816
1 year ago
GWHunta

3.) Get off your ass and try to make something better. I don’t buy the argument that this process BEGINS with “recognition of the problem,” by which you really mean “feel really, really, really, really guilty about what shitty stewards of our planet and future we turned out to be.”

Just did. Banked fresh snow alongside the outside walls of my house to help insulate it from the cold and further reduce our carbon footprint and energy used for space heating.

We’ve partitioning off our house into heated and unheated zones and this afternoon are moving our bed from the main bedroom and will spend the remainder of the heating season sleeping in the living room to further reduce our need for heated space and energy use. By doing so, we’ll only be lighting and fully heating approximately 20% of our total floor space and will significantly reduce our overall energy consumption over the winter by doing so. We conserve both water and the natural gas energy used to heat it by bathing double and don’t drain the tub until the water has dropped to room temp.

We get through most winters on less fossil fueled energy than Al Gore uses to heat his pool.

Peace,

Post Modified: 12/08/07 13:07:11
R317216
1 year ago
mercenary

5

You’ve become my definitive opinion-tank for environmental…things.

Goes nicely with stimulator’s bit against passive resistance…

R317245
1 year ago
Snark

We conserve both water and the natural gas energy used to heat it by bathing double and don’t drain the tub until the water has dropped to room temp.

Bathing double is possibly the most fun way to save water and energy…as long as it doesn’t run long….

R317250
1 year ago
Flynn

Liv,
It’s true that what’s going on is maladaptive and the real revolutionary activity has primarily to do with the psyche.
The question is no longer what or why or who but HOW do we act. We pretty much intellectualize everything here and this is ver important to get the information out and to create documents and reports and real histories within all the propaganda—but there is something that prevents us all from really grieving about this stuff. REALLY feeling it and this of course prevents real action. I’m not saying that there aren’t some of us who do weep about the oceans dying. We feel it as sorrow and rage. But we’ve got to go deeper here. I’m uncomfortable even saying this for fear of sounding like a hippie. but look. I think consciousness is a beautiful thing and I’d like to see it preserved somhow. we can take baths together and not buy stuff and that’s great —but how do we act to preserve the love and gentleness that will get us where we need to get amidst this violently disassociative process? Our purpose here can’t just be to document the end. that’s some shit we all learned from TV.
rant rant rant…
mmmmm

R317292
1 year ago
Livingston

You’ve become my definitive opinion-tank for environmental…things.

wow, that makes me happy… and scared. i still don’t have a fucking clue on what to do. i only know what not to do… which is what we’ve been doing… are continue doing… heh.

REALLY feeling it and this of course prevents real action. I’m not saying that there aren’t some of us who do weep about the oceans dying. We feel it as sorrow and rage. But we’ve got to go deeper here. I’m uncomfortable even saying this for fear of sounding like a hippie.

flynn – i really hope we meet one day. i was thinking about you last week when i had my toes in the pacific, watching the diatoms shimmer in the ocean beneath a starry sky in Montezuma.

i will email you some new philosophy and enviro stuff. take care

Bathing double is possibly the most fun way to save water and energy…as long as it doesn’t run long…

and yeah, i usually suggest group or partner showers to conserve water and all but the time thing gets to be a problem. i dunno… green solution? get it on out of the bath, stay dirty, move to a place where there is a clean river and enjoy it while it lasts.

Post Modified: 12/10/07 12:27:19
R317316
1 year ago
Livingston

¨...but don´t look analytically, we tell them, don´t look as scientists, even as gardeners. liberate yourselves from everything you know and look with complete innocence at this infinitely improbable thing before you… look at it alertly but passively, receptively, without labeling judging or comparing.¨
aldous huxley

but how do we act to preserve the love and gentleness that will get us where we need to get amidst this violently disassociative process? Our purpose here can’t just be to document the end. that’s some shit we all learned from TV.

disassociate from the concept that life is a goal oriented or purpose oriented endeavor.

¨belief in life´s importance, then, may not be a reflection of reality but an evolutionarily reinforced fantasy which prejudices believers to bear whatever burdens in order to survive.¨ lynn margulis

no purpose, no goals, only the opportunity to explore and expand your subjective experience of the phenomenon of being a reflectively aware part of a 3.85 billion year old thermodynamic oddity and share it with the rest of the living world as it dies… that´s life

don´t just document the end
live it up

cheers

Post Modified: 12/10/07 15:37:06
R317826
1 year ago
bacchus

great article

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