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Forum : Human Rights
R292890
1 year ago
microdot

According to the World Food Program, about 200,000 civilians have died in Darfur, 80 percent from starvation and disease, and 20 percent from violence.

600,000 Iraqis have died since 2003 as a result of violence related to the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq.

In the Congo, some four million civilians have been slaughtered over several years, largely as a result of intervention by US proxies, Uganda and Rwanda.

In Somalia, 460,000 civilians have been displaced by fighting sparked by a US-backed and assisted invasion by Ethiopia.

Poor Mia. You really soiled your self with that remark to Kofi. But don’t worry : we know you’re just working from a script.

While we’re on the subject :

David Mayer de Rothschild — the youngest child (born 1978) of Sir Evelyn de Rothschild, of the British wing of the Rothschild banking family — on a National Radio during a program in support of the superflopped Live Aid campaign — informed everyone that Jupiter, Mars and Saturn were closer to the sun than Earth.

They’re just getting smarter and smarter up there where the air gets SO thin.

Post Modified: 07/11/07 06:51:43
R292891
1 year ago
bodo

Its global genocide.

R292894
1 year ago
microdot

No but it’s true, the Chinese are a problem. They simply MUST revalue the Yuan. Where else are we going to get so much cheap labor?

That toothpaste stunt clearly didn’t do shit. We have to start thinking bigger.

Post Modified: 07/11/07 06:32:13
R292895
1 year ago
Szamko

But no one is counting the dead. If you ask Eric Reeves he would say upwards of 500,000.

Hasn’t she read the WHO mortality survey?

Or consulted MSF?

Or the Center for Research on the Epidemiology of Diseases?

If not, why is she speaking about this?

[the MSF page doesn’t seem to be working at the moment BTW]

Reeves’ figure of 500,000 is not based on field work. We don’t know what it is based upon. Much the same goes for the 400,000 estimate injected into the public discourse by the Coalition for International Justice (now disbanded).

Post Modified: 07/11/07 06:39:35
R292896
1 year ago
Szamko

This is rather important actually. From the Sudan Watch link above:

The initial CIJ survey was initiated by the US State Department and led the US government to conclude last September that the events in Darfur constituted genocide.

And the methodology was as follows:

Hagan and his colleague University of Toronto researcher Patricia Parker reviewed data culled from 1,136 interviews of refugees from Darfur conducted by the Coalition for International Justice last summer, as well as data presented in the World Health Organization’s survey of deaths in refugee camps last year. Based on their analysis of the combined data, they estimate that the number of persons who have died or disappeared between February 2003 to April 2005 is close to 400,000.

But the WHO study concluded that excess deaths in 2003 and 2004 came to about 100,000, with about 30,000 of those due to violence. How this came to be magnified to 400,000 is a mystery.

The 1,136 interviews could not have provided evidence for 300,000 deaths. The most fanciful reading of the WHO data cannot support this.

It’s a lie.

Post Modified: 07/11/07 06:49:53
R292898
1 year ago
microdot

They haven’t realized that it might matter that we can see them. Let me see — where did I put the Karen Hughes guesstimates about the Kurds Saddam gassed?

Got it :

Some Things You Need to Know Before the World Ends

October 21, [2005] Karen Hughes, White House envoy for public diplomacy, told an audience in Indonesia that Saddam had “used weapons of mass destruction against his own people. He had murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people using poison gas.” When challenged about the number, Hughes replied: “It’s something that our U.S. government has said a number of times in the past. It’s information that was used very widely after his attack on the Kurds. I believe it was close to 300,000. That’s something I said every day in the course of the campaign.

That’s information that we talked about a great deal in America.”

The State Department later corrected Hughes, saying the number of victims in Halabja was about 5,000. (This figure, too, may well have been inflated for political reasons; for at least the next six months following the Halabja attack one could find the casualty count being reported in major media as “hundreds”, even by Iraq’s Iranian foes. . .)

Post Modified: 07/11/07 07:05:12
R292899
1 year ago
Szamko

The problem in Darfur from a U.S. perspective may well be that the African Union (with EU assistance) is doing too well and freezing out UN/white peacekeepers. Without the white man’s burden, resource extraction, political leverage, the international artifice of white supremacism, is somewhat compromised.

R292900
1 year ago
Szamko

Of course, the U.S. could generously fund aid operations, but that’s not what “Save” Darfur is all about is it?

R292902
1 year ago
microdot

You know that no money from the Save Darfur campaign has even tried to make it to the Sudan?

Did you know that the EU stopped paying AU troops — when there were having remarkable success?

Have you heard that the Chinese appear to have offered to be the new sponsors of the AU troop presence in Sudan?

I should think Mia is having absolute FITS!

R292917
1 year ago
Flojo

According to the World Food Program, about 200,000 civilians have died in Darfur, 80 percent from starvation and disease, and 20 percent from violence.

600,000 Iraqis have died since 2003 as a result of violence related to the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq.

You know that no money from the Save Darfur campaign has even tried to make it to the Sudan?

Mia,Mia on the wall,
The most Useful Fool
of them all

Let’s nuke China

R292921
1 year ago
Szamko

China is not allowed to
a) host the olympics
b) produce medicines
c) import oil from Africa

Silly.

R292944
1 year ago
johnnycivil

China is a horror, if you are a rebel of love, you would want to see our 1.3 billion Chinese comrades free. Produce medicine, burn oil, but stop accepting China crimes. Uncle Sam loves the PRC, does more for them than all fawning lefties, so what does that say?

I so wish Chavez could show the courage to denounce the PRC along with Uncle. Then he would be a hero to the world! Let me hear Hugo call for “Tibet Liberdad”! Let him call for religious freedom, however silly the religion may be. Let him call for an end to brutality and the harvesting of detainees organs.

R292946
1 year ago
Szamko

China may be a horror but whatever you say, the PRC has lifted more people out of poverty than any other nation, ever.

See China’s Population: New Trends and Challenges

So I know what Hugo would be getting at. Having said that, he should probably condemn the Chinese judicial system, but can he afford to? That’s a tricky political question.

With organ harvesting, most academic studies seem to agree that the practice is criminal, rather than state sponsored, with judicial-medical collusion.

Post Modified: 07/11/07 11:42:41
R292960
1 year ago
singh

Hmmm. On the one hand, Sudan is in a crisis that needs a regional solution in which guilty parties (including Khartoum) must be held to account. I echo Szamko’s point about the AU and the white man’s burden and all that.

Sudan reveals the utter lack of leadership on a world scale today. There is absolutely no credible institution or organization that can legitimitely engage the Sudanese civil wars. The UN, EU, US capital, etc, have all revealed their own bloodlust and naked hypocrisy in the ‘war on terror.’ The UN openly backed the brutal bombardment of Somalia in December – where were Mia Farrow’s tears then as hundreds of thousands of poor nomads and farmers were displaced, with some even ducking and dying from US bombs. But if I recall correctly Western media was in a very celebratory mood then, with such headlines as ‘US pounds terrorists in Somalia’ – and yet now the country has become terribly insecure, with key social institutions unable to function even on the basic level they managed during the turbulent pre-ICU years. But now the dominant media speaks of Somalia as a country that just cant seem to overcome its cannabilistic and warring tribal culture, with rarely a whisper of the brutal crime committed by the US, supported by the UN, in Somalia, and how this has in fact been the central catalyst to the destabilization of Somalia in 2007.

Did Mia Farrow call for a boycott of the US for its actions in Somalia? If not for Somalia, then what of Iraq, or its enabling of Israel’s desruction of Lebanon and Gaza? How about for the weaponry and funding that the US provides to anti-democratic forces the world over (people in Pakistan seem to want a change, but for some reason Musharraf is holding on.) How can she be so critical of China and yet silent on her own country’s crimes, which dwarf China’s own brutalities and unforgivable compromises in its pursuit of its national intersts. This reveals her and much of the rest of the ‘Save Darfur’ movement’s contamination by the white man’s burden – a refusal to see how they are themselves located in an international political economy in such a way as to implicate them in destructive and murderous campaigns. This refusal then allows them to externalize themselves from the “barbarism” of the third world and then recast themselves as liberal do-gooders who are on a mission to save the dark world – again something that has too often served as the ‘humanitarian’ plank of Empire.

The UN lost legitimacy in my eyes long ago – as it stares slack-jawed at Palestine, Lebanon, Somalia, Niger Delta, Patrice Lumumba, etc. Selective (US backed) outrage has been the name of the game at the UN for decades.

The real tragedy is that Sudan, like Somalia, is in a severe humanitarian crisis. But, again, conflicts like Sudan need to be addressed by effective regional bodies that constitute the mutual interdepedence of neighbouring countries and can effectively resist the imperialism of the US, UN, EU, and so on.

R292963
1 year ago
Szamko
R292980
1 year ago
Truthcansuk

Szamko China may be a horror but whatever you say, the PRC has lifted more people out of poverty than any other nation, ever.

That’s weird… when we discus the USA, generally the reasoning goes “It’s got it’s good points, but it’s evil…” how come china gets “It’s evil, but it’s got it’s good points…”

I’m probably just reading you wrong… lack of coffee…

Szam – Having said that, he should probably condemn the Chinese judicial system, but can he afford to?

Pretty sure we condemn Bush when he makes political decisions such as that…

R292983
1 year ago
Truthcansuk

singh – How can she be so critical of China and yet silent on her own country’s crimes, which dwarf China’s own brutalities and unforgivable compromises in its pursuit of its national intersts…

You’re so right. If she’s not talking about American evils, she should shut the fuck up.

R292989
1 year ago
Szamko

It’s definitely a priority to get some Euro-American knowhow onto Sudanese soil:

The Sudanese government must not be allowed to keep playing “cat and mouse” with the international community over ending the violence in Darfur, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday….Sudan has sent mixed signals about the joint force, saying it should be under the AU’s command and control rather than the United Nations’, and has suggested it should be mainly African.

Speaking in Washington at a conference on democracy in Latin America and Africa, Rice said the hybrid peacekeeping force was essential to increasing security and she urged African governments to “hold Sudan accountable.”

“We must not let the government of Sudan continue this game of cat and mouse diplomacy, making promises then going back on them,” Rice said.

U.S. Special Envoy to Sudan Andrew Natsios is in Sudan this week speaking to government officials and trying to convince Khartoum to agree fully to the force.

BUT

The actual people of the region need aid to deal with famine and flood.

Post Modified: 07/11/07 14:21:59
R293001
1 year ago
singh

You’re so right. If she’s not talking about American evils, she should shut the fuck up.

What the fuck man. That is just basic to any serious ethical foundation. For example, I make it clear all the time to my own family, friends, and other Indians who raise issues of racism in Canada, that if they cannot themselves overcome the dehumanizing casteism that too often overdetermines social relations amongst Indians, then they have absolutely no right to speak of white racism in Canada. None at all.

Wonder if you read everything that I wrote. I made it clear that Sudan is seriously fucked up right now, and that it is imperative that regional bodies address the issue. Americans should be more concerned about the hell that their own government has unleashed on Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc – and yes I do believe that if she cannot articulate Sudan and a criticism of China alongside a severe condemnation and calls for boycotts of the actions of her own government – genocide and the world’s largest refugee crises in Iraq, Palestine, and Somalia, then yes she should shut the fuck up.

You may think me an anti-american/western ideologue, but so be it. I am sick to death of the hypocrisy. Would a boycott London Olympics 2012 campaign ever gain the same traction as boycott China olympics? Would Mia Farrow receive op-ed space in the Wall Street Journal if she called for a boycott of London 2012?

My main point was how in the hell can she appeal for intervention into Sudan by the very institutions that twiddle their thumbs, and even enable Western imperialism and destruction of entire countries? So what if her cries about Sudan are heard and the white man moves on this – this will do nothing to move the UN on its complicity in crimes against Somalis, Palestinians, Afghans, and Iraqis, will it? In fact, it may only serve to further legitimize the crimes of the UN against these peoples (especially as they are in support of the US).

China, India, and Russia deserve strong condemnation for their blind pursuit of ‘strategic interests’ in Sudan and elsewhere – but for me this can only ever be articulated effectively and legitmately from an anti-imperialist perspective, which this woman is seriously lacking. Otherwise it runs the risk of becoming another instance of ‘humanitarian imperialism.’

I do believe that if the Western do-gooders stepped backed and looked in the mirror once, it would allow more space for regional bodies to emerge and develop the independent institutional capacity to address these sorts of conflicts. ECOMOG in West Africa seems to have had some promise…

R293012
1 year ago
microdot

On the whole, I’d call China the best ally the Revolution has and has ever had. There are a lot of factors involved. They have their infections, it’s true. But as a force for change they have a LOT of cards and they’ve been playing them to our benefit, more than most people realize.

There is a misconception that large industrial projects represent lower risk and that profits at the expense of the cost of labor is just good business sense. That’s not necessarily fascism. From what I can tell, it could very easily just be naivete.

Singh, never hesistate to repeat yourself. Even if people read every word you say, write for the new guy that might just fortuitously show up.

I think we all know that Condi is a two-faced fire breather never ever ever to be taken at her word.

If China decides to pay AU salaries in the Horn, that’d be a BIG win.

Where have I heard pendejada about ECOMOG?

R293028
1 year ago
Truthcansuk

if they cannot themselves overcome the dehumanizing casteism that too often overdetermines social relations amongst Indians, then they have absolutely no right to speak of white racism in Canada. None at all.

Depends. If they were in a position to actually help with the problem of white rascism in Canada then they should speak of it, whether or not they were in a position to change things in other areas. i’m not clear on why anyone would listen to Mia Farrow, but apparently some people will, and in this case that’s a good thing.

Requiring people to remain silent unless their own life is perfect is a great way to kill any attempt at helping anyone else… and abandons the people who apparently need help.

and yes I do believe that if she cannot articulate Sudan and a criticism of China alongside a severe condemnation and calls for boycotts of the actions of her own government – genocide and the world’s largest refugee crises in Iraq, Palestine, and Somalia, then yes she should shut the fuck up.

Then you and I disagree. I hear about Iraq and Palestine all the time. Sudan isn’t on the radar. I’m glad someone is bringing it up…

Would a boycott London Olympics 2012 campaign ever gain the same traction as boycott China Olympics? Would Mia Farrow receive op-ed space in the Wall Street Journal if she called for a boycott of London 2012?

No, it wouldn’t and she wouldn’t. However, this boycott can gain traction and she can get space on this one, which might end up helping people. It would be unethical of her not to try, IMHO...

China, India, and Russia deserve strong condemnation for their blind pursuit of ‘strategic interests’ in Sudan and elsewhere

There’s no one left to condemn them if we relegate everyone who’s gov’t acts like douchebags into the ‘shut the fuck up’ bin…

but for me this can only ever be articulated effectively and legitimately from an anti-imperialist perspective, which this woman is seriously lacking.

Possibly legitimately but hardly effectively. If she decided to take on the issue of imperialism she’d be tuned out and ignored. This is a specific issue she’s bringing to people attention.

On Edit: I agree with microdot, singh. Keep writing. I enjoy reading your perspectives/opinions on GNN...

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R293032
1 year ago
Szamko

She also doesn’t mention the well documented and extremely relevant U.S.-Sudanese intelligence collusion. Chinese intransigence on the security council hasn’t been the only comforter for Khartoum.

And she doesn’t talk about the rebels.

She says things like this

And the UN sticks to a figure until there’s another. For years, they were sticking to 70,000 until that became an obscenity, when they moved it up to 200,000. And they’ve been sticking there for I don’t know how many years. The truth is they don’t know.

When there have been some very good studies done of mortality at the height of the civil war in Darfur. But Mia doesn’t talk about them.

This is a burying of the issues, not a useful bit of publicity for Darfur.

R293042
1 year ago
singh

_Depends. If they were in a position to actually help with the problem of white rascism in Canada then they should speak of it, whether or not they were in a position to change things in other areas. i’m not clear on why anyone would listen to Mia Farrow, but apparently some people will, and in this case that’s a good thing.

Requiring people to remain silent unless their own life is perfect is a great way to kill any attempt at helping anyone else… and abandons the people who apparently need help._

Really? I think that is kind of weak. Caste prejudice can be so brutally dehumanizing that I myself do not think that anyone who continues to speak of Dalits as less than humans (sometimes even speaking of blood differences) has any ethical/moral ground from which to take on the issue of white racism. And if you do, then we are in serious disagreement.

For example, in Canada the Indian community will from time to time press the state for recognition and redress of the brutally racist Komagata Maru incident. It is an ugly stain on our collective history that should definitely be redressed, but at the same time it is also the case that when the first wave of Indian labourers came over to Canada, those who numbered amongst the oppressor castes, even as they themselves were being exploited and oppressed by whitey, continued to oppress and exclude the oppressed castes (Dalits). They would not allow Dalits to sleep or eat in the rooms that were allocated to labourers by employers. For myself, then, any attempt to articulate opposition to the racism that the Komagata Maru represents also must come to terms and redress the oppression Dalits experienced from both white racism and casteism. Otherwise, the oppressor castes that are leading the movement for Komagata redress can possibly use such an incident to further entrench caste oppression. And just so you know, there are Indian organizations that do articulate anti-racist and anti-casteist positions, and it is only with them that I stand in solidarity.

Then you and I disagree. I hear about Iraq and Palestine all the time. Sudan isn’t on the radar. I’m glad someone is bringing it up…

Agree that we are in disagreement. I never hear about any sort of celebrity driven Save Iraq or Save Palestine movement in the US, but it seems that there seems to be no shortage of Save Darfur bandwagons going around these days. And the Save Darfur campaign seems to most easily gain traction in the press/dominant institutions in a way that say a Save Palestine movement never ever could.

No, it wouldn’t and she wouldn’t. However, this boycott can gain traction and she can get space on this one, which might end up helping people. It would be unethical of her not to try, IMHO...

This just seems so problematic to me. For centuries now, Western countries have spoke of their need to save, enlighten, modernize, develop, etc the rest of the world, while paying scant attention to the damage that their interventions leave in their wake. And they use cases like Sudan to justify their continued need for intervention…

It is very important how a crisis or problem is articulated, what sort of solidarity is expressed within the articulation, as this then determines what sort of solution is put forth, and what configuration of forces will emerge from such a solution. In this case, from my point of view, Mia Farrow, George Clooney, and the rest of the Save Darfur movement seem to be unable to articulate the Sudan crisis alongside what is happening elsewhere in North Africa and West Asia. For you this may seem to be a necessarily strategic imperative, but for me it risks legitimizing those actors and institutions that have caused so much death and destruction elsewhere. And this can potentially legitimize their actions further as well.

There’s no one left to condemn them if we relegate everyone who’s gov’t acts like douchebags into the ‘shut the fuck up’ bin…

Hmmm. Can you please show me where I said this? I have no problem condemning China’s actions in Tibet, India’s many brutal repressions of its minorities and revolutionary movements, and so on, but my first concern is always my own responsibilities here as a citizen of Canada. Therefore, it would be hypocritical of me to do so without first condemning the brutal cultural genocide (the residential schools must be historically unprecedented in their brutality) that Canada has inflicted upon the first nations peoples, the support we offer to the US imperial missions, aggressive Israeli militarism, and so on. Only once our own positions are grounded in a very vocal solidarity with those brutalized by our own governments can we effectively excercise our solidarity with those oppressed by other governments/corporations/ institutions. So it is very possible to condemn France, Russia, China, Iran, India, and so on, and people do it all the time within more general anti-imperialist movements.

Anyhow, I am being silly with my time, and should get back to my own writing now. So let’s agree to disagree then.

R293043
1 year ago
singh

Thanks for the kind words.

R293050
1 year ago
a_pretty_rainbow

the African Union (with EU assistance) is doing too well

but they only have 7,000 soldiers.

African Union Force Low on Money, Supplies and Morale

Sunday, May 13, 2007

UNITED NATIONS — The beleaguered African Union peacekeeping force in Darfur is on the verge of collapse, a development that is undercutting international efforts to protect civilians and deploy United Nations reinforcements, according to A.U. and U.N. officials.

The African Union’s first major peacekeeping mission — once considered the last line of defense for Darfur’s civilians — has been crippled by funding and equipment shortages, government harassment and an upsurge in armed attacks by rebel forces that last month left seven African troops dead.

The setbacks have sapped morale among peacekeepers, many of whom have not been paid for months. It has also compelled the force — which numbered 7,000 troops at its peak — to scale back its patrols and has diminished its capacity to protect civilians, aid workers and its own peacekeepers. In one example, Gambian troops last month failed to aid a Ghanaian peacekeeper who was gunned down in a carjacking incident within 300 yards of the mission’s Darfur headquarters, U.N. officials said.

The crisis comes as the Sudanese government has renewed aerial bombardment in Darfur. And it has raised serious concerns among U.N. planners and outside experts about the viability of plans to deploy a joint U.N. and A.U. peacekeeping mission of up to 20,000 troops. Some governments that have committed to send troops and equipment to Darfur are either balking or failing to make good on their pledges.

“The risk is great that everything will collapse,” African Union Chairman Alpha Oumar Konare warned last month during Darfur talks in New York. “Today, we have soldiers who have been waiting three or four months to be paid.”

The violence in Darfur erupted in February 2003, when the Sudanese Liberation Army and another rebel group took up arms against the Islamic government, citing discrimination against black tribes. Sudan responded by training and equipping Arab militia, known as the Janjaweed, that killed hundreds of thousand of civilians suspected of backing the rebels and drove 2.5 million more from their homes.

The Bush administration has accused Khartoum of genocide and has argued that an expanded U.N. role in Darfur is key to ensuring the population’s safety.

The A.U. presence — known as the African Mission in Sudan — was established in 2004 to monitor the violence and to prevent abuses against civilians and humanitarian aid workers in Darfur. The force quickly endeared itself to Darfur’s displaced civilians, escorting women to forage for firewood, reporting atrocities, and mediating between warring factions.

But it has been plagued for several months by chronic shortages of funds and supplies, forcing members to patrol in jeeps without radio communications and borrow soap and food from private charities and U.N. humanitarian agencies.

Last month, five Senegalese soldiers were gunned down by followers of the Sudanese Liberation Army faction headed by rebel leader Minni Minawi, according to Senegalese and A.U. officials. Others have been beaten and robbed. One A.U. officer has been detained since December.

To improve security, Rwanda and Nigeria committed last year to send an additional 1,500 A.U. troops to Darfur to reinforce the mission. The United States contracted a U.S. company, Pacific Architects & Engineers, to construct barracks for the troops, but the plan was delayed because of a dispute over whether the United States or the United Nations would cover the costs.

Rwanda and Senegal have warned that they may withdraw if they do not receive financial support for the mission from Western donors. “What is the purpose of having them there just to sit in the sun,” Rwandan President Paul Kagame told Reuters last week. “Things are not good, and the international community needs to act.”

The deteriorating situation has aggravated a dispute between Khartoum, the African Union and the United Nations over who would lead and fund the expanded peacekeeping mission. The groups reached a compromise last month that provides for U.N. command of the overall U.N. mission in Sudan, with the African Union commanding operations in Darfur.

But Norway and Sweden, the only European nations that have expressed interest in participating in the Darfur mission, have rejected the accord. “We are not members of the African Union; we are members of the United Nations,” said Raymond Johansen, Norway’s deputy foreign minister. “It will not be easy for our troops to report to an African Union commander.”

The two nations initially pledged to send about 250 military engineers to Darfur. But Johansen said that they have objected to a U.N. proposal to place them under the protection of A.U. troops, saying they would provide an additional 250 Scandinavian security forces to ensure the engineers’ safety. U.N. officials said that Khartoum would probably oppose the deployment of European security forces.

The United Nations has begun discussions with other possible contributors, including Iran, Kenya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Thailand and Jordan, which has pledged to send six Cobra attack helicopter to the mission. China has promised to send a small unit of about 200 military engineers.

But many offers have not materialized. Egypt promised more than six months ago to provide 36 armored personnel carriers for the Darfur mission but hasn’t furnished them, according to U.N. officials. Bangladesh has agreed to transfer troops currently stationed in Congo to Darfur. U.N. officials, however, say the troops are still needed in Congo.

Konare, meanwhile, has indicated that the African Union wants the United Nations to fund the expanded mission in Darfur but play a subservient role in running the mission. But wealthy donors are unlikely to accept the financial burden unless the United Nations administers the mission, U.N. officials said.

“The big money problem is that the Americans and the Europeans promised over the last decade that as long as the Africans deployed in these kinds of situations, we would pay for the soldiers and equip them. And we haven’t done it,” said John Prendergast of the International Crisis Group.

Alex de Waal, a British scholar who advised the African Union, said that while the A.U. force has stumbled, international donors have allowed it to “wither on the vine.”

“You don’t put a force into horribly difficult situation, where they are being shot at and having their soldiers killed and then tell them that they’re second-rate and deprive them of resources,” he said.

this article is 2 months old, in order for what you are saying to be true, you need to show us how it is wrong.

China may be a horror but whatever you say, the PRC has lifted more people out of poverty than any other nation, ever

prove that it is the government that lifted them out, not the c word.

And I’m sure someone could counter that that the PRC has also killed more people by drought than any other nation, ever.

R293053
1 year ago
Szamko

The African Union has done an amazing job with a) only 7,000 troops and b) very little money (owing to EU administrative errors it seems). The challenge is to build up its legitimacy and popularity, which is currently being challenged by the U.S./EU who want to bring the UN in (along their lines as in Southern Sudan, replete with Blackwater etc..).

I would agree with Alex de Waal who is probably the best informed commentator on Darfur. As quoted above:

Alex de Waal, a British scholar who advised the African Union, said that while the A.U. force has stumbled, international donors have allowed it to “wither on the vine.”

And that lack of faith (which the funding shortfall amounts to) is why the AU can’t do the job, not competence.

R293054
1 year ago
Szamko

prove that it is the government that lifted them out, not the c word.

Why? Under the PRC however it’s happened, and whenever, hundreds of millions of people have become wealthier, learned to read, and are living longer lives.

R293056
1 year ago
Szamko

On AU funding:

The AU force lacks the logistical means and trained staff to distribute the salaries and write reports to account for the funds in Darfur, a region the size of France where communications are difficult, said Noureddine Mezni, spokesman for the mission.

“It’s a vicious circle,” he said, calling on the EU to simplify the paperwork so that the African soldiers could receive their pay faster.

So it looks like the EU has been imposing impossible conditions upon the AU bureaucracy, which wasn’t ready to deal with their requirements.

Other reports from the EU say that fraud isn’t being investigated as an issue.

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R293059
1 year ago
Szamko

BUT

As Julie Flint points out, we are all reading from an outdated script on Darfur, to an extent. We’re not talking about genocide or anything so simplistic.

Those advocating a no-flight zone are reading from an outdated script. During the height of the conflict in 2003-4, the worst violence in Darfur was caused by coordinated ground and air attacks against villages accused of supporting the rebels. But this year it has been caused by battles on the ground between Arab militias fighting one another over land and by attacks by rebels now aligned with the government. Not once this year has there been aerial bombing “before, during and after” these offensives, as Clinton claimed. Today, stopping military flights wouldn’t make much of a difference to the Darfuri people.

Darfur is a patchwork of shifting rebel forces over which Khartoum has little control any more. We need to get those rebels to a table for talks, and the language of genocide is irrelevant to this task.

R293064
1 year ago
Snark

Darfur is a patchwork of shifting rebel forces over which Khartoum has little control any more. We need to get those rebels to a table for talks

I see very little productive point in negotiations unless the aim is the absolutely unconditional and immediate cessation of all hostilities against Darfurian civilians, repatriation of all refugees, and the unconditional payment of reconstruction costs and restitution. Whatever you want to call it, it needs to cease immediately and permanently, without a lot of fucking around. How best can that be accomplished? I submit that it would be best to figure out how to get those AU troops equipped and paid, and send them in to restore peace. And fuck Khartoum if they’ve got a problem with that.

Post Modified: 07/11/07 17:27:32
R293070
1 year ago
Szamko

I don’t think Khartoum does have a problem with that. As they’ve said consistently, they are in favor of an enlarged AU force with some UN component but not run by the UN (ie the U.S.).

The sticking point is the funding, which has been criminally short, not just for the AU but also for aid agencies (who have been doing amazing work with little security or resources).

Obviously the aim would be the end of hostilities. One of the worst mistakes in the Darfur conflict were the Abuja accords, which only included a minority of the rebel factions (no-one is holding the JEM accountable for continued fighting BTW, an interesting omission).

It has to be all, or nothing. So we need to hold those rebel leaders to account and demand that they come to the table (and maybe cut off their funding? Qaddafi would be a place to start).

R293075
1 year ago
a_pretty_rainbow

look sam, I’ll I’m looking for is evidence to support the assertion that the UN/EU/U.S. secretly think that the AU mission is doing too well and therefore want to destroy it.

R293120
1 year ago
empress

You’re so right. If she’s not talking about American evils, she should shut the fuck up.

Now THAT’s funny. (Inside joke)

R293210
1 year ago
microdot

Shazam, could you splain please a bit about the “Qaddafi would be a place to start”.

My impression about Qaddafi is that he would be a good person to cut out of the loop. I haven’t heard anything but rhetoric from him. Is he financing pendejada?

Last I heard he was against extra-continental “peacekeepers” and accusing “The West” of only being interested in the oil. But that may have been because he was thinking he’d qualify for the role of King of Africa.

He is now planning to soil himself by executing white people on trumped up charges.

R293226
1 year ago
Truthcansuk

My impression about Qaddafi is that he would be a good person to cut out of the loop. I haven’t heard anything but rhetoric from him. Is he financing pendejada?

Does Kaddafi still have those 40 ninja-chick bodyguards? I always liked that. It had style…

R293227
1 year ago
Snark

Does Kaddafi still have those 40 ninja-chick bodyguards? I always liked that. It had style

No doubt. He also wore that bitchin’ leopard-skin fez.

R293244
1 year ago
microdot

Gazprom, the Russian gas monopoly, has chosen Total, the French oil company, to help develop its giant Shtokman gas field

Al Breach, head of research for investment bank UBS Warburg, called the deal “a major victory” for France and all of Europe.

Breach said: “I think critically it looks like this is going to be European partners, but not Americans.

“It confirms a trend we’re seeing where Russia is doing joint venture deals with a number of European concerns but not with the Americans.”

Post Modified: 07/12/07 16:30:17
R293296
1 year ago
microdot

Just for reference (and context) :

Total also recently signed pacts with Venezuela allowing the country to take stakes of up to 83 percent in their Orinoco projects.

From MSNBC

Where others might come to a country and seek to impose a particular way of doing business, Total is prepared to listen and adapt to local conditions.

This approach has helped Total do business in Saudi Arabia and Bolivia, for example. In Venezuela, where ExxonMobil and Conoco walked away from heavy oil upgrader projects rather than accept new terms from president Hugo Chávez, Total was one of the companies that stayed.

Total’s head of exploration and production, said oil companies today had to learn to accept the consequences of resource nationalism.

This meant increasing a company’s contribution to local communities and using more local suppliers, for example, as well as recognising that sometimes the agreements of 15-20 years ago might have favoured the multinationals.

END OF QUOTE

What on earth has this to do with what the US is doing in the Horn of Africa, much less Mia Farrow?

R293298
1 year ago
microdot

Meanwhile, we have a copy cat kidnapping ring in Nigeria trying to discredit MEND. I almost fell for it myself.

I wonder who’s clever idea that was.

R293512
1 year ago
microdot

OK OK OK. Sarko kicks in. It seems the EU is going to open up a, get this, “humanitarian corridor” in Chad, so The Corporations can proceed with their intervention in The Sudan. The deal is they’re only supposed to be kind enough to offer their services until the UN can get together an official Peacekeeping Force.

Where they’re going to find the called for 20,000 is anybody’s guess. Have we heard anything about them even thinking about paying AU salaries (garnered from the profits they’ve been sucking out of Africa for the better part of the last 300 years)? I haven’t heard. Has anyone heard?

But voila : what do you think this means? :

OPEN QUOTE

Jean-Marie Guehenno, the UN official in charge of peacekeeping, [stressed on Friday that] there would have to be close “co-ordination mechanisms” between such a EU-UN force and the planned African Union-UN force that is to take over peacekeeping from underfunded and poorly equipped AU troops in Darfur.

END OF QUOTE how mysterious and blantantly duplicitous is that?

Meanwhile, UN Peacekeeping troops in The Congo (17,000) are moving right along. Apparently Peacekeepers from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh have all been trading food, WEAPONS and military FN intelligence with their friendly neighborhood insurgents from Rwanda.

So what is that then? The real functionality of UN Peacekeepers? Sounds more like a smuggling operation to moi. A thinly veiled excuse for putting down airstrips etc. How’d you say those Rebels in The Sudan got their weapons again?

Never fear, Ban Ki-Moon is here. Investigations have been launched.

Let’s get a few more close looks at what those so-called Peacekeepers have been doing in The Congo before we go with the flow on Chad and The Sudan. Because I think we’re looking at tiny tiny smokie smokie.

Post Modified: 07/14/07 05:56:43
R293514
1 year ago
Szamko

Child prostitution

I suspect that these “Hutu militias” are nothing of the sort. Probably some criminal gangs whipped up by Lundin mining, Paul Kagame or the Museveni clan to steal Congolese resources.

R293515
1 year ago
bodo

Child prostitution

“NO AUTHORIZATION
In case you use personal firewall, please adjust the privacy settings for this web site.”

R293517
1 year ago
Szamko

Interesting, look on the Office for Internal Oversight Services website. Should be here

R293518
1 year ago
Szamko

And what is Museveni up to at the moment? This is slipping underneath the radar.

Museveni has been touring East Africa, possibly to drum up support for a regional grouping (and he was very quick to respond negatively to Qaddafi’s “African U.S.” proposals).

The [Kenyan] Standard said President Museveni’s visit brings to the fore the contradicting relations between the Awori family and the Kenyan and Ugandan politics. “While Awori is Kenya’s Vice-President, his brother Aggrey Awori is a leading opposition leader in Uganda,” the paper said, not knowing that Awori ditched UPC for NRM.

The local media revealed that the two leaders discussed the deteriorating security situation along the Kenya-Uganda border, especially in West Pokot and Turkana where more than 30 Kenyans died in bombing raids allegedly by Uganda People’s Defense Force.

“We have no option but to unite and pursue a common agenda. We need a platform from which to negotiate with the rest of the world. I ask the rank and file of the region to support the political federation as we put our heads together to achieve the goal,” Museveni said.

“The black man is suffering because of lack of integration. The developed world will only recognise us if we have strength as a region. Look at America; they are controlling our lives from the outer space. They monitor whatever we do while we still argue over whether to integrate or not,” he said.

[which is odd coming from such a staunch U.S. ally]

And, MPs of the ruling National Resistance Movement (NRM) are undergoing military drills at the Kyankwanzi National Leadership Institute, Kiboga

Since the NRM came to power, a section of the population, including students, civil servants and local government leaders, have gone to Kyankwanzi for basic political and military training dubbed chakamchaka…President Yoweri Museveni said this was for the “demystification of the gun” which was a tool of terror in past governments.

Ugandan army kills eight Kenyan warriors

Kenyan media, citing villagers living near the border, Wednesday said Ugandan soldiers had crossed the frontier and opened fire on a group of Pokot warriors, killing an unknown number of people…The Ugandan army is carrying out a drive in the country’s restive northeastern region near the Kenyan frontier to disarm the belligerent Karamojong community, as the Pokot are known there.

Post Modified: 07/14/07 06:22:11
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