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Yeah I’m sure Clinton would have willingly subjected himself to a warcrimes tribunal..you can’t love justice and love America at the same time
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“those responsible for bombing Yugoslavia would have been alongside Slobodan Milosevic in the docks these past years instead of having their responsibility being buried with him.”
if this guy is truly dumb enough to compare Clinton/Wesley Clark to someone like Milosevic, he’s truly a ‘tard.
PS the Serbs were previously warned that media outlets that were serving as propaganda could be targeted.
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I’m 100 % sure that a credible investigation by credible people into the background of the Balkans wars would uncover butchery by people who weren’t Serbs, as well. Former Croatian President Franjo Tudjman was named as co-offender in the massacre of Krajina Serbs.
Why were the Serbians singled out? To my knowledge they did have the sole remaining Socialist government in Eastern Europe at the time – not a tolerable situation in Western circles!
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if this guy is truly dumb enough to compare Clinton/Wesley Clark to someone like Milosevic, he’s truly a ‘tard.
Well here’s someone who knows little to nothing about Clinton/Wesley Clark then. Under Bill Clinton, Iraq suffered from a sanctions regime which was unilaterally upheld by the U.S. which had, as its consequence, the death of over 500 000 Iraqi children. This figure is supported from both Hans Van Sponeck and Dennis Halliday, each men assigned with the responsibility of running the program, both of which resigned in protest of its “genocidal impact” Clinton and Halliday fully supported the Turks in their ethnic cleansing campaign against their native Kurd populations, with over 1 000 000 people displaced and hundreds of thousands killed. Both of those events dwarfed the civil war which was taking place in Kosovo, in which approximately 10 000 people had died. Doesn’t excuse Milosevic for doing what he did, but the real monsters are the ones we produce at home. You’d be wise to look into it and not stay blind to the truth. US foreign policy has been the bloodiest, and most terrorizing of that of ANY state since WWII.
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Ok, I’ll play devil’s advocate. If he was in a position to blow the cover off the truth, why didn’t he? Don’t get me wrong- Clinton did preside over many American war crimes. That’s not in question. But the assassination theory to keep him quiet doesn’t hold much logical water. If we wanted him dead so he couldn’t talk, wouldn’t we have capped him during capture, or arranged a headhunter strike? Or maybe killed him before his trial even started? Why keep him in jail for (what’s it now? something like 8 years?) all that time and then kill him? Why wouldn’t he have sung like a canary in jail?
Also, just a thought, since we’re going on the cui bono line of reasoning…it seems to me that Milosevich himself stands to benefit from his death. Instead of dying a broken, fucked old man, convicted of war crimes and his name dragged through the muck, he becomes the victim of a sinister conspiracy, and dies a hero of Serb nationalists. No conviction, no ignominous incarceration- just a sudden death and enough rumors to discredit his enemies and buoy his supporters.
I’m not saying any of this is right. I’m just saying that the situation is not nearly so cut and dried as any of us imagine. There are a lot of plausible stories that could be ginned up.
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you can’t love justice and love America at the same time
I do… so nyahh. I don’t love where America has been the last couple decades – but I do love the concept behind it all; that constitution thing.
if this guy is truly dumb enough to compare Clinton/Wesley Clark to someone like Milosevic, he’s truly a ‘tard.
I don’t know: he’s been producing at Democracy Now! for years and getting published all over the place. What have you done lately? Do you have any facts to support your claim?
PS the Serbs were previously warned that media outlets that were serving as propaganda could be targeted.
So are you saying that you support the “friendly-fire” Al Jazeera bombings? Did this guy have it coming? Rummy kep calling them propaganda – so they had it coming?
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“Under Bill Clinton, Iraq suffered from a sanctions regime which was unilaterally upheld by the U.S. which had, as its consequence, the death of over 500 000 Iraqi children. “
here’s someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. The figure you’re throwing out is notorious, with people claiming that the sanctions killed 500000 people, 500000 civilians, or 1000000 people w/ 5000000 children.
http://www.reason.com/0203/fe.mw.the.shtml
“I don’t know: he’s been producing at Democracy Now! for years and getting published all over the place. What have you done lately? Do you have any facts to support your claim?”
Wow, that’s really strong support. Bill O’Reilly gets published/shown all over the place.
“So are you saying that you support the “friendly-fire” Al Jazeera bombings? Did this guy have it coming? Rummy kep calling them propaganda – so they had it coming? “
How on earth did you infer that? I merely pointed out that according to the Hague’s investigation and trial, NATO warned media outlets that were serbian could be bombed if they were broadcasting propaganda. I didn’t say that I supported this. I merely said that the Serbians were warned. I like the fact that you suddenly infer that I support the US bombing Al Jazeera in another war based on me reporting a fact about the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Idiot.
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“Opponents of Miloševi© inside Serbia charged that the managers of the state TV station had been forewarned of the attack but ordered staff to remain inside the building despite an air raid alert.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#endnote_Erlanger
“Why were the Serbians singled out? To my knowledge they did have the sole remaining Socialist government in Eastern Europe at the time – not a tolerable situation in Western circles!”
I’m sure the hundreds of thousands of Albanian refugees would be very glad that you think that they weren’t worth saving.
I’m interested in hearing what you commenters that keeping pointing out war crimes from the US and NATO think should have happened while Milosevic was carrying out his campaign.
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Wow, that’s really strong support. Bill O’Reilly gets published/shown all over the place.
You’re avoiding my question: what have you done lately? Why do you think you are more qualified? Do you have any facts to support your claim? Aside from that, can you honestly compare the O’Reilly factor with Democracy Now?
How on earth did you infer that?
I’m just fucking with ya… I use the Al Jazeera bombing to demonstrate the weakness of your “PS: they were warned” comment. How is your “they were warned” comment applicable other than as a justification of the bombing?
One man’s news = another man’s propaganda, or something. Rummy has been saying that Propaganda outlets (LIKE AL-J specifically) should be considered legit targets. Lo and behold; Al-J got bombed. If I were to say, Al-J was warned, I would sound like a douchebag, no? Hence, the AL-J analogy.
Idiot
At least I know how to use textile
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“But the assassination theory to keep him quiet doesn’t hold much logical water. If we wanted him dead so he couldn’t talk, wouldn’t we have capped him during capture, or arranged a headhunter strike? Or maybe killed him before his trial even started?”
It’s the last veneer and dying gasp of democratic principles Snark. It’s like a sideshow to the main event to demonstrate that “we” aren’t barbarians like “they” are. Saddam killed thousands of people in Iraq. The USUK axis killed thousands of people in Iraq. It’s the skin of the teeth line of separation to let us have the pretty fantasy that we live in any kind of benevolent civilisation to say “but we put Saddam / Milosovic [insert Goldstein character] on trial”. Saddam’s sons were killed outright in a firefight – with no prospect of them being put on trial anyway. If the USUK axis was at all consistent, standing orders would have been to execute Saddam on sight.
We’re talking about irrational psychopaths here Snark, (“our” and “their” fearless “leaders”), why should we expect anything they do or say to “hold logical water”?
The assumption that the people who’s motivations and actions we are exploring are rational has caused much pain for political scientists, activists and anyone else who gives the slightest shit. In investigating these, and related, topics I consistently encounter huge explanatory gaps that are like vacuums.
In these (very frequent) cases I have the choice of filling it with speculative conspiracy theory, or fundamentally disturbed psychological pathologies on the parts of some or all of the actors involved. When I have at least some credible evidence I might err on the side of a rationalised conspiracy theory (‘rationalised’ in that it explains actors decisions, motivations and actions within the framework of their being rational). Without that all I have is pathology as an explanation or extreme conspiracy theory with no evidence. In that case I err on the side of pathology.
A classic example of what I’m talking about is the Valerie Plame case. That’s just one big vacuum of nonsensical facts without (and these are just two examples), supposing an international conspiracy of some sort (designed to purposefully undermine US intelligence efforts – to what end, well pick your target…..) or dangerous pathology on the part of involved actors (i.e. a simple revenge attack on Wilson for undermining the war propaganda). IMHO it’s a nasty mixture of both and it makes my head spin.
It’s always important to note the element of irrationality and pathological behaviour in these discussions – if we dismiss these elements, there will always be something lacking in our own analysis, especially if we disagree with eachother.
Assume for example, both you and I are rational actors trying to explain event X in rational terms. We each have a different perspective and apply different conceptual tools to our arguments. Nevertheless our discussion proceeds on rational terms, with the assumption of a rational conclusion (even if that rational conclusion is just to acknowledge valid elements of eachother’s position and reach a kind of synthesis of our views).
Doing this, we will – pointlessly – wear eachother out with argument, counter argument and so forth. There’s almost a math at work here: rational actor + rational actor seek rational explanation about X. The irrational factor(s) in X are not susceptible to our rational analysis and conclusion seeking, so therefore, our analysis misses out irrational element Y. Does this make sense? If you understand what I’m getting at you might be able to articulate it better….
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The assumption that the people who’s motivations and actions we are exploring are rational has caused much pain for political scientists, activists and anyone else who gives the slightest shit.
Oh, word, totally. My point was more that there are any number of rational- and irrational- explanations for what happened in a mysterious event like this; if we’re gonna sling hypotheses around, I just wanted to turn over a few more rocks that might not have been otherwise. And I do appreciate the cynicism of assuming that they’re all just insane fuckheads anyway- in fact, that attitude seems eminently….rational. If bleak. But what the fuck.
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Bombing is not a war crime, never was, and never will be. I understand why far leftists get confused, the US is their enemy, and while the US stopped the potential genocide against Kosovar Albanians by Milosovic led Yugoslavia, the left never misses an opportunity to try and spin an anti-American story when an opportunity arises, however, bombing is not a war crime.
Secondly, the US could not be held responsible for war crimes anyways, since the US is the leader of freedom’s army. Any civilians killed by US action is considered an accident by definition. Third world dictators and their henchmen are potential war crimes candidates, since they are not on a high moral plane like the Americans. They are usually facsists out to spread their ethnic groups domain by killing others. Hence Milosovic.
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Interesting article, Anthony. Thanks.
Snark,
Milo wasn’t capped after he surrendered years ago because the Eurocrats truly believed he could be successfully prosecuted, by the book. The trial of Milo would serve as an example of high justice — that NATO was righteous and impartial, and Yugoslavia is better now that it’s globalized into Europe.
But problems seem to appear. The perfect trial suddenly didn’t look so perfect. Milosevic is a smart man, regardless of being bad or not. If this trial was going to somewhat fair, then he had every right to explain he was fighting terrorists in Kosovo (there is no solid proof of genocide). As it turned out, those terrorists were the KLA and Al Qaeda.
Both of these baddies are armed “drug proxies”, trained and coordinated by the USGov (DIA) and Britain (MI6). Drug proxies have a historical habit of working for DC and London, often in relation to conflicts involving oil and greater business/monetary issues leading to globalization.
The KLA Albanian gangs are now the biggest drugdealers in Europe, while the biggest US base in the world — Camp Bondsteel — straddles a huge oil pipeline that goes right through Kosovo. Constructed by Halliburton, of course. The oil moves from the Caspian Area, through the Black Sea, to the Balkans, bypassing Russia and the geostrategic chokehold of the Dardanelles near Turkey. Once the oil moves through Kosovo, it goes to an Adriatic port, to be marketed to Western Europe.
It’s a project not unlike the BTC pipeline, which moves Caspian oil through the Caucasus and Turkey to the port of Ceyhan in south-east Turkey.
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Mass debators.
Get a f’n life. Stop pretending to know about sht that you really have no idea about.
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“.... I understand why far leftists get confused, the US is their enemy,....”
pretty much, but add to that any oppressor (including the financial military whatever else elite around in any country) and you got my point of view.
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NinedenLtD, why don’t you tell us all about it, proxy boy?
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at least Hunter Thompson never turned over any rocks on ethnic groups killing each others’ leaders and everyone…
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I’m sure the hundreds of thousands of Albanian refugees would be very glad that you think that they weren’t worth saving
Heh. This is why I get into trouble in my life offline. I don’t clarify my position enough…
Right-o sens, first off I never did claim that the Albanians ‘weren’t worth saving’. I can see where you’d draw my ‘sole remaining Socialist government in Eastern Europe’ line as inferring ‘infallible in their actions’, but that just isn’t the case.
I’ll stand by my ‘why single the Serbs out’, though. All you hear in the media are ‘Serbs are synonymous with evil’ and the like.
But in that particular war (like every other) evil was on all sides. No one position had a monopoly on evil. ‘Why single out the Serbs’ was my attempt at trying to explore agendas hidden below the surface – being bias against a particular position is done for a reason, and I pegged it on the ‘sole remaining Socialist government in Eastern Europe’ hook.
No disrespect to the displaced, the raped or the murdered of any nation was intended, and I’m sorry if you took what I wrote as inferring disrespect.
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Thank you for the article, it is true we can hear little about what happened.
Here are some links to articles written by Noam Chomsky at the time; might be of some interest :
The current bombings : behind the rhetoric Znet, March, 1999
Crisis in the Balkans
Zmagazine, May, 1999
Kosovo Peace Accord
Zmag, July, 1999
Another Way For Kosovo?
Le monde diplomatique, March 14, 2000
A Review of NATO’s War over Kosovo
Zmag, April-May, 2001
voila!
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“.... Secondly, the US could not be held responsible for war crimes anyways, since the US is the leader of freedom’s army. Any civilians killed by US action is considered an accident by definition. ....”
Yes, for example ~ 6,000,000 Jews accidently killed on the way to a New Order.
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Yes, for example ~ 6,000,000 Jews accidently killed on the way to a New Order.
Yaaaaaaaawn. Old.
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but the NATO bombing campaign was helpful in destroying a lot of the Serbian capabilities and their paramilitary allies to attack Albanian refugees. Yeah, the Albanians did revenge attacks afterwards, which the NATO should have tried to do more to prevent. But I think saying that there’s a hidden agenda of secretly getting rid of a socialist government is pretty stupid.
and faelnarr, I happen to be very good friends with a Serb who lost his legs and 9 of his fingers from a gernade in the civil war, so I’m pretty sure I’m not stupid and tricked by the media about thinking the Serbs are all bad.
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I know that you far lestists are out of touch, but let me propose something here for you to think about. People don’t go around assasinating people for convenience. We leftists like to build a world view of good vs evil, where evil people spend their entire days hatching nefarious plots and it is our job as good little leftists to expose these plots.
But guys, this is a fantasy, it is not the real world. In the real world, leaders of western countries pretty much do what leaders of corner McDonald restuarants do; they manage their sphere of influence trying to do the best job that they can do. They want the esteem of people who watch them and they want to pass on the next watch as orderly a domain as they can.
Nobody is going to conspire to kill a man in custody worried about what he might say. It is a trial, he can say what he wants.
Furthermore, we gave our consent to the Kosova campaign, it is done. In war, people die, we knew that going in. We weighed the consequences of Serbia’s actions in Kosova against the cost of an air war. The calulations were made, the war is approved, it was done, it is over.
Now it is time for use far leftists to get over it.
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Never said you were stupid, sens. I can admit I’ve been fooled by the media before, so just because you believed something that later turned out to be untrue dosen’t make you a dupe, or dumb, or an idiot…
EDIT: Well, it means you were duped, but not a ‘dupe’ as in the derrogatory sense.
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Furthermore, we gave our consent to the Kosova campaign, it is done. In war, people die, we knew that going in. We weighed the consequences of Serbia’s actions in Kosova against the cost of an air war. The calulations were made, the war is approved, it was done, it is over.
Hey Izzy, wasn’t there absolute furor in the Republican camp over Clinton’s decision to go to war over Kosovo? Remember that?
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“Clinton did preside over many American war crimes. “
How could he?, no American President has ever committed a war crime. Even the confused asshole Presidents like Carter and Clinton never committed a war crime. The only Americans ever involved in potential war crimes were roque soldiers. We prosecute our own as you know because we are a leader in human rights and set a very high standard for our troops.
When prosecuting our own we don’t call normally them war crimes, but in fact that is just semantics. We think of war crimes as things only people in bad armies do, and that great democracies are required to intevene and prosecute.
However a war crime is a war crime no matter who does it. That is why the US sets such a high standard on her troops.
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“ Hey Izzy, wasn’t there absolute furor in the Republican camp over Clinton’s decision to go to war over Kosovo? Remember that?”
Correct! The reason at the time was that we should not be involved over there because it was not in our national interest. And because we are not in the national building business and our intervention would only serve to make things worse.
However Clinton did what he did. He was elected and so the US public would have to accept the consequences of his bad judgement.
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Peace.
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‘The only Americans ever involved in potential war crimes were roque soldiers‘
Heh. Remember My Lai? It’s likey that the only rogue soldiers on that operation were the ones who tried to stop. the massacre.
Lt. William Calley , who led the mission, was the only one convicted over the massacre of at least 500 Vietnamese civilians – he was initially charged with the premeditated murders of 22 civilians and on March 31, 1971 he was sentenced to life in prison. Ultimately, after appeal Calley served only 3˝ years of house arrest in his quarters at Fort Benning.
Three and a half years of house arrest, for a leading role in the murder of five hundred civilians? But hey, things happen in war, don’t they?
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‘...because we are not in the national building business and our intervention would only serve to make things worse.’
Ah jeez, where could I go with this thing?
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Ah jeez, where could I go with this thing?
Must…...stop…...laughing…...gut…...can’t…..take…...anymore…...
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Sorry, mate!
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But guys, this is a fantasy, it is not the real world. In the real world, leaders of western countries pretty much do what leaders of corner McDonald restuarants do; they manage their sphere of influence trying to do the best job that they can do. They want the esteem of people who watch them and they want to pass on the next watch as orderly a domain as they can.
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Oops,
Just wanted to say that while I somewhat agree with the thought in the first sentence. The second one sounds somewhat hollow. I don’t think people in power give any thought about esteem unless luck there of threatens their status.
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“We prosecute our own as you know because we are a leader in human rights and set a very high standard for our troops.”
Izzy…is…hysterical…
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2004/06/07/usdom8778.htm
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Its like this… you haven’t been there, right? You can’t really know what its about until you’re a Muslim in Sarajevo. Stop pretending to know. You know they laugh at us, right? The ones trying to act all intellectual and say well this and this and that about Milosevic and Clinton and NATO or whatever… They laugh because it is just a bunch of rhetoric and essentially meaningless. Realize that the war started in 1986 and the crimes against humanity began in 1986, long before anyone else became involved. Now the entire region is just a big colony. And the war isn’t over, despite what you may think. The article lacks… knowledge of the issue.
I’m not making a statement on anything but the article, so don’t get defensive.
But since you did… what’s wrong, can’t look in the fuckin’ mirror?
That is what I thought.
“Hell is others!”
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Marx and Engels most important contribution was in agitating for a global identity for the masses above, beyond or without religion, nationalism, ethnicity or race — and with the violent elimination of the bourgeois ruling class. Lenin and Trotsky divided this into highlighting or neutralizing nationalism and a workers of the world identity-building strategy is all but dead today.
Eco-consciousness should be the basis for a common world identity of the masses, yet it’s still “the economy, stupid,” and the regional, ethic, national and racial divisions remain. So, a very likely doomed species is witness to these thousands of GNN-type fragmented, compartmented lists/menus of intellectualizations, rationalizations, particularizations, jousting, fencing, recriminations, discriminations, procrastinations, shiftshaping and so on as a break from the boredom of getting high, listening to music or working for the man.
Bloggers of America unite and demand America give us the truth about everything, all documents from all presidencies and a new Constitutional Convention that empowers the common American citizen. As America is falling, a vision of its possibilities to have and to lead a new revolution may give mankind a chance to survive. All horror stories clearly lead to the realization of One World: One Revolution
A New Millennium Revolution
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Wasn’t Milo refused the right to represent himself? And what evidence was there that showed that he had knowledge of the 7,000 muslims that were killed? There is a lot of strange things regarding this one..
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a lot of strange things regarding this one..
This one and that one— in Dante’s Inferno?! Unless you think you’re just a guest visitor, the way out is by understanding the big picture, gnostics. The time for new examples from history as the key to learning from it has passed. There is no time left for the emotionally and ethnically consoling voyeuristic scholarship that covers some of these masturbatory and circle jerk rituals. Big Picture hypotheses and action or suck groupies. Clinton and these mass murders, Bush and those, Nixon and Johnson and those others, Reagan brings America back….All reducible to mu, phi, sigma or evil in an equation that spells extinction for a fragmented species.
A New Millennium Revolution
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Nineden, speaking of rhetoric… you just told us nothing
The article summarized some concrete things, especially some things hidden from popular Western media. For instance, the Serbs were fighting KLA drug proxies and Al Qaeda, their presence in the Balkans supported by America. It also touches on the number of people actually blown to pieces by American bombs. I’m not picking sides. I’m just saying, those two issues are valid.
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Very deft continuity Continuity. My vision is a united Eurasia to recenter civilization in a global socialist program that manages capitalist activities and unites in fighting crime and human rights violations through negotiated agreements to form over the agonizingly destructive and even violent fall of America during a brutal global capitalist crashdown and wars, civil wars and revolution everywhere. I’m suggesting that a continuation of case studies of this or that local, national, regional or global conflagration is just as useless as a dead language in a world facing the extinction of homo sapien account its failure to organize a united response to natural conditions and itself. One more insight about one more particular contemporaneous tragic failure to have eliminated ethnic, racial, national or religious division is not adequately adaptive at this stage of the game of history, albeit inviting some transient social cohesion from some ethnic, political or epistemic community. It’s time for a transcendent, messianic play, something that can use genetic algorithms and charisma to just beat out Coca Cola as a globally integrating res verba. What can bring Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Marxism and Anarchism together — I say the combination of the fall of America, the collapse of a world capitalist system, international organized crime and the certainty of ecological disaster can and it’s time to focus on the big picture.
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I had a long reply written, but the I realized it wouldn’t matter to you. That you would insist on your valid points. Of course they are valid and of course the US committed awful crimes. I don’t deny it. I am questioning Mr. Scahill’s very conscious decision to ignore everything that happened from 1986 until 1999. He writes as a skilled propagandist, skewing the information for his own point of view.
Just remember that I never agreed with direct US-NATO involvement in the region. That I also believe Clinton to be a war criminal in Yugoslavia. And Albright, and Rubin, and Cohen, and Berger, and Holbrooke, and Clark. I believe the entire region to be nothing better than a US colony. My point is the authors ignorance of the entire issue and his alarming willingness to be ignorant of every year prior to 1999. His article is a pathetic disrespect for everyone who died prior to 1999. He treats them as if it didn’t happen. We are talking about 13 years of violence and war crimes and thousands and thousands massacred and he wants to talk about 16 “media workers” (many of whom were responsible for spreading anti-Muslim lies)?
Nothing is black and white.
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Nine,
I agree with many of these new things you’ve said. Believe it or not, I haven’t picked sides, nd I see no black and white. I can only look at this entire tragedy via one sub-topic at a time. You must agree that it’s impossible to write a single article that summarizes the entire mess?
Short articles always focus on a few matters. In the case of Milosevic’s trial and recent “death”, I find some of the article’s information helpful in enlargening the picture. But it doesn’t give me any sympathy for Milo, or hatred for Muslims.
This war was dirty, cynically controlled, horrible for all sides, and even now still not fully undestood. Just like most other wars.
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WWII from the Nazi/Fascist side was utter evil. The U.S. role in Vietnam was utterly evil and the U.S. ought to have been the recipient of the strongest sanctions and war crimes trials. The stakes are too high anymore to refuse to place a priority on standing up and saying BASTA! Enough! to the USA. I feel it is questionable to address possible new acts of a career criminal with such deference to the niceties of scholarly review.
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“In the case of Milosevic’s trial and recent“death”, “
If you think or suspect he was murdered by some conspiracy, you’re an idiot.
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Okay… I see that you all got something to say about the matter…
But from where I’m desperately standig (cannot travel, need visas and crap like that if I want to go anywhere; legacy of dear old dead president and his allies) things look very different.
At one point we managed to overthrow our dictator and (alleged) war criminal, arrest him and send him to the Hague Tribunal. We lost the best politician as a consequence…
I would like to see the likes of that in Washington. Why aren’t the British and Americans acting? All I’ve noticed, so far are discussions, reasonings, rationalisations and things like that. The Americans managed to deal with Nixon. The British managed to deal with Eden. To them Bush and monkey Blair seem like two small parts which combined create one puny turd.
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and when I say the best politician i mean Zoran Djindjic, of course. Djindjic was assasinated on March 12 2003, by forces (among others) who supported Milosevic and did not want to go to the Hague. To put it simplistically.
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And Milosevic wasn’t killed! He had a heart condition, smoked, mixed sedatives with alcohol… He was ill even while in power! We’ve all expected him to die during the protests. Really, to say something like that… irresponsible…
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