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R133481
4 years ago
mikemayberry

i have no doubt that racism is alive and well. i am pretty racist myself, which helps alleviate the doubts. but i don’t think that race is an important sub category in our society. look at black people with more money, they are as white as their neighbors in many respects. now look at broke ass white people, they are as black as many of their neighbors. my point isn’t that there is a true black or white identity, but that the stereotypes are attached to economic status as much as anything else. when i think about black people like condoleeza rice or michael jordan, they don’t seem very black to me (which may be the most racist thing i can say).

hopefully you understand what i am saying, if not i will be happy to explain. this was interesting.

R133512
4 years ago
Chickenma1

Mike, I agree in some respects that classism is color-blind. But the black stereotype is poor (read “inferior”) and the white sterotype is middle class (“superior”), even if that’s not really the case.

If you’ve never seen “A Class Divided” which aired on Frontline, it is so worthwhile. I bought the video for 50+ bucks when a longtime black friend (ex-boyfriend) whom I’ve always considered brilliant surprised me by admitting he thought he wasn’t as smart as whites. I asked for his evidence and he said whites were better at auto mechanics (watch Eminem fix that car in 8-Mile!) and technology intimidated him. I could relate – as a “girl”, I was intimidated by math and only years later found out I’m good at it.

So I bought the video. It is about a classroom in which the teacher divided the kids into blue-eyed and brown-eyed, then blatantly elevated the blue above the brown. Brown-eyed were marked with collars, had to wait to use anything till the blue-eyed were done with it (including the bathroom), and told constantly that their brown eyes meant they were stupid and their protests were proof of it. Even though they knew it was a one-day make-believe, the brown-eyed’s test scores plummeted. When the roles were reversed, same thing happened to the blue-eyeds. The top group felt compelled to “pile on” to the inferior group, even though these were best friends two days before!

This experiment was deemed so revealing that it was used with adults and got the same results – plummeting test scores virtually overnight.

The problem is as much that blacks buy into the inferior stereotype as whites buy into the superior one – It’s been going on so long it’s almost ingrained. And blacks are made aware of it every day… even Condoleeza Rice.

R133514
4 years ago
Shogo

I thought it was because they had giant penises.

R133517
4 years ago
Chickenma1

Some do – the males, mostly.

R133541
4 years ago
Draconis

That experiment has been repeated in many different forms and now-a-days teachers seem to get into trouble for doing such things. The results are always the same. It also indirectly demonstrates how easy it is to utilize the strategy of “divide and conquer”. Create an array of superiority/inferiority complexes in your populace and then distract them away from the grand scheme of things by setting them against one another.

R133546
4 years ago
tenbob

Could I just ask how many people were polled? I never pay any attention to polls due to the fact that a lot of American polls are conducted with around 1,000 people (in a country of 260million), I don’t think it’s a fair reflection of society. So, I think it’s unfair to head your article “why whites think blacks have no problems”. That is such a sweeping statement it’s not only incorrect but dangerous.

R133552
4 years ago
Draconis

Demonstrate how it’s incorrect.

R133585
4 years ago
mikemayberry

ten,

a sample size of 1100-1200 is usually representative of the population. really big polls which are managed well may bring the margin of error down some but most people are satisfied with 1100 to at least give some preliminary results.

i don’t like polls and i don’t cite them when i write because i don’t think they tell you anything important. i also think there are a lot of problems with polls like wording and format.

R133913
4 years ago
tenbob

“Demonstrate how it’s incorrect.” [Draconis]

Because if they polled 1,000 they can’t just then decide that ALL white people think the same way. How about if it was titled, “Poll suggests whites think blacks have no problems”?

R133928
4 years ago
redoubt

“Apparently, it is easier for whites to believe that a pill-popping, washed-up lounge singer faked his own death and is playing midnight gigs at some tropical resort, than to believe what black folks say they experience every day.”

That was uncalled for. Elvis was the King.

R133933
4 years ago
Snark

whites persist in believing that we know their realities better than they do, and that black complaints of racism are the rantings of oversensitive racial hypochondriacs.

I think this is a bit of a strawman. “Whites” don’t think monolithically, and many whites are quite realistic about the state of race relations in this country.

Now, if you want to make the point that there are a shitload of whites who consider themselves enlightened and anti-racist, but who are in fact unconsciously racist in a patronizing, unacknowledged sort of way, I’m with you.

R133942
4 years ago
Shogo

Racism is OK if you’re black.

R134061
4 years ago
IsraelForever2

Is it possible that white people are just better than blacks academically, or has that been completely ruled out?

Post Modified: 03/08/06 15:02:45
R134064
4 years ago
NoGodsNoMasters

Yes, completely ruled out.

R134198
4 years ago
Darios

“More than 80 percent of whites live in virtually all-white neighborhoods,”

U.S. National Population estimate in 2004: 80.4% white.

Discuss.

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