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R116112
3 years ago
manyhues

This is an excellent article, well researched and aesthetically written. Great editorial choice, thanks!

R116212
3 years ago
Chickenma1

Sigh… Thanks, Anthony.

R116244
3 years ago
TheHyperT

You know, I’m suspecting thatmost of the protesters in the argentinean side are in fact “strike-breakers” pay by the gobernor of entre rios mr.Bussi.

The problem goes back to 1996 when bussi wanted to install a pulp factory of similar size in the argentinean side of the river, but he lost the bussines oportunity and now the uruguayans have it (but with different companies).

So I really doubt this is a fight for the enviroment. More like a fight for who gets the pulp factories.

R116250
3 years ago
Chickenma1

“So I really doubt this is a fight for the enviroment. More like a fight for who gets the pulp factories.”

I just found a scholarly paper by Leif Ohlsson called LIVELIHOOD CONFLICTS: LINKING POVERTY & ENVIRONMENT AS CAUSES OF CONFLICT. It argues that environmental degradation comes first, followed by relatively sudden loss of livelihood (more important as a source of conflict than entrenched poverty), which is then exploited by elites (by providing livelihood in militias or factories). Below is Mr. Ohlsson’s summation:

By the livelihood conflicts approach employed so far, I hope to have showed, first of all the crucial importance of generating and sustaining livelihoods for avoiding conflicts. Secondly, the importance of maintaining environmental resources above critical sustainability levels, in order to facitilitate the task of sustaining livelihoods, has been stressed. The third and last point to emphasize is that even the necessity of creating livelihoods in cities have to be underpinned by healthy ecosystems for their immediate and day-to-day survival, but also in order to reduce the pressure on creating jobs in cities. Those who can maintain a life in rural areas, will not become foot-soldiers in the potential armies of unemployed fomenting in cities.

Against that backdrop, the most recent report from the World Wildllife Fund on the state of the world’s ecosystems raises serious alarm. The report (WWF 2000) states that the productivity and resilience of ecosystems have deteriorated by at least 30 percent during the last thirty years. During the same span of time human pressure on the environment (the “ecological footprint” of human societies) has increased by some 50 percent. The report further concludes that sustainability levels of ecosystems as a whole in fact were transgressed already at some time during the 70s. What these figures imply is, that at the exact period of time when environmental resources would be most needed in order to provide livelihoods, they are depleted below their regenerating ability – ironically to a large degree as a result of the imperative to maintain and create livelihoods.

In the future, larger populations will not even have access to the same amounts of environmental services previous generations enjoyed, but less. On a per-capita level environmental services of course will be far less. The world at present thus seems to abound with one great scarcity, namely that of renewable resources and healthy ecosystems, forming the base for liveli-hoods; and one potential great affluence, namely the productive capacity of all those women and men rendered powerless and poor by the unability to find an opportunity for livelihood.

In the combination of these two facets fortunately also lies a potential for overcoming the glaring discrepancy posed by them. A new study by the WorldWatch Institute reports that creating an environmentally sustainable economy already has generated an estimated 14 million jobs worldwide, with the promise of millions more in the century ahead of us. The often voiced fear of a contradiction between jobs and environmental protection is, in fact, fiction, according to the report. “Jobs are more likely to be at risk where environmental standards are low and where innovation in favour of cleaner technologies is lagging”, says author Michael Renner (2000). Environmental job creation today may be largest in developed countries (e.g. in the wind-power generating sector), while job creation is particularly important in the developing world, where almost all of the growth in population will take place in the coming decades. “The trouble is that human labour appears too expensive, while energy and raw material inputs appear dirt cheap”, says Renner. “Businesses have long sought to compete by economizing on their use of labour. To build a sustainable economy, we need to economize on the use of energy and materials instead.”

R116288
3 years ago
TheHyperT

Dude, did you read my ENTIRE post? I meant this is a political confligt due to the location of the pulp factories.

What I say is that without Bussi’s ambitions there would be very little people protesting there (the ones that are really affected) and not the uncontrolled mob we see today.

R116295
3 years ago
Agustina

Hyper, its Busti, not Bussi, Bussi was the governor of Tucuman.. it is political o course, but dont be stubborn either, those rivers are a main artery of the region and the country and they are already pretty screwed.

Presentan un informe sobre el impacto ecológico de las papeleras
Desde la Cancillería argentina adelantaron que una delegación demostrará el impacto ambiental que representará la puesta en marcha de las dos procesadoras de celulosa en la costa del Río Uruguay. Una comisión con técnicos de ambos países mantiene este mediodía un encuentro para emitir un informe conjunto. Presentarán un informe sobre el impacto ambiental de las plantas.

La Argentina presentará hoy a Uruguay un informe en el que se detalla el impacto ecológico que provocaría la instalación de las dos papeleras en la ciudad uruguaya de Fray Bentos, en ocasión de la última reunión de la comisión técnica binacional que se realizará en Buenos Aires. Fuentes de la Cancillería argentina informaron a la prensa que en el último encuentro de la comisión, los delegados argentinos demostrarán el impacto ambiental que representará la puesta en marcha de dos procesadoras de celulosa en el margen oriental del Río Uruguay.

La comisión creada a principios de junio del 2005, y conformada por técnicos de ambos países, estáreunida desde las 11 en el edificio de la Cancillería y de acuerdo al cronograma de trabajo deberá emitir un informe conjunto para el 30 de enero sobre la instalación de las papeleras de la empresa finlandesa Botnia y la española Ence.

La comisión está integrada por funcionarios de las dos cancillerías y los gobiernos nacionales y provinciales, y la supervisa un grupo de técnicos de la Universidad de la República, de Uruguay, y de la Universidad Nacional del Litoral, de Argentina.
En todos estos meses, las delegaciones continuaron intercambiando información, aunque la Argentina señaló en distintas oportunidades la demora de la parte uruguaya en hacer llegar la documentación solicitada.

Desde Uruguay, el ministro de Medio Ambiente, Jaime Baigorria, sumó un nuevo aspecto al debate al señalar que el gobierno argentino ya había aceptado, oportunamente, la instalación de las papeleras en Fray Bentos.

“Ya no es un tema de naturaleza ambiental. Esto ha quedado consustanciado en los informes hechos por nuestros técnicos que ya estaba en conocimiento de la cancillería argentina. Ya se había clausurado este tema de disputa, y solamente quedaba pendiente hacer los monitoreos de agua del Río Uruguay”, afirmó el funcionario oriental.

En tanto, el embajador argentino en Uruguay, Hernán Patiño Mayer, defendió a los vecinos de Gualeguaychú que cortaron el último fin de semana la ruta internacional hacia Uruguay y afirmó que no son “delincuentes” ni “forajidos”, a pocas horas que el Gobierno de Tabaré Vázquez expresara por carta su preocupación por las consecuencias turísticas y comerciales de los bloqueos de caminos y puentes.

“No estamos hablando de delincuentes, no estamos hablando de forajidos”, enfatizó el diplomático primer funcionario argentino en salir al cruce de la carta del gobierno uruguayo al defender al grupo ambientalista que rechaza la instalación de las papeleras.

En ese sentido, el diplomático subrayó que “no estamos hablando de gente que está rompiendo o destrozando la propiedad pública o privada, sino de gente que está ejerciendo el libre derecho de manifestar”.

En el marco de la protesta, cinco ambientalistas de la organización Greenpeace y dos fotógrafos fueron detenidos esta mañana durante dos horas tras una protesta que realizaron hoy sobre el muelle de la papelera Botnia, en la costa de Fray Bentos (Uruguay), donde instalaron un campamento tras acceder al lugar con gomones. Por la tarde, las fuerzas de seguridad uruguayas detuvieron a otros siete activistas y a un fotógrafo de esa ONG. Los activistas de Greenpeace son ciudadanos de Alemania, Argentina, Brasil, Chile, Finlandia, Italia, México y Uruguay, y cruzaron el río Uruguay a bordo de gomones y desembarcaron en el muelle de Botnia, donde permanecieron hasta la llegada de la prefectura local.

R116302
3 years ago
Agustina

A little cronology of the conflict as reported by Clarin newspaper

20 October, 2005 Tabaré Vázquez pondrá la piedra fundamental de una de las papeleras

31 October, 2005 Tensión diplomática con Uruguay por el conflicto de las papeleras

31 October, 2005 Marcha de botes, lanchas y veleros por el río Uruguay

28 November, 2005 Gualeguaychú: los vecinos, duros con las papeleras

19 December, 2005 Cortaron puentes para protestar por las papeleras

20 December, 2005 Un informe del Banco Mundial respalda a las papeleras en Uruguay

20 December, 2005 La resistencia de Gualeguaychú

27 December, 2005 Rio Mistico

27 December, 2005 Una reunión clave en Cancillería

28 December, 2005 Papeleras: el Gobierno insiste con la suspensión de las obras

4 January, 2006 Primer corte sorpresivo de ruta contra las papeleras

7 January, 2006 Busti ahora va a la Justicia federal

7 January, 2006 ““La guerra del papel”:http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/01/07/elpais/p-00404.htm

12 January, 2006 Anuncian que una tercera papelera se instalará en Uruguay

14 January, 2006 Volvieron a cortar la frontera con Uruguay en protesta por las papeleras

17 January, 2006 Cronología de un conflicto de tono creciente

18 January, 2006 Papeleras: incidentes, cortes de ruta y diez activistas detenidos

18 January, 2006 Contaminación: Taiana cuestionó un informe del Banco Mundial

R116330
3 years ago
TheHyperT

OK, siempre fui malo para los nombres, pero el punto es que si o si habria ambientalistas y eso, pero la protesta no tendria la profundidad ni la fuerza que tiene hoy dia si no fuese porque las papeleras se estan haciendo del otro lado

R116395
3 years ago
manyhues

es muy interesante la perspectiva, y bastante realista. SIN EMBARGO, THEIR IS TREMENDOUS BINATIONAL OPPOSITION TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE PULP PLANTS....además, las papeleras fueron un tópico en la campaña de tabaré, el obtuvo mucho apoyo de la comunidad ambientalista uruguaya, pero fue la primera promesa rota cuando él dijo que las celulosas se van a construir. es importante ver la celulosa en términos internacionales también….misiones, paraná, y por supuesto el sur de chile…..ese libro es un poco viejo pero demuestra bien el dinamica internacional….

the northern hemisphere is basically unloading paper production onto the southern hemisphere…..

El papel del sur

R119896
3 years ago
gavin_rose

Argentine governor takes pulp mill protest to Hague

“Jorge Busti, the governor of Entre Rios province, said Argentina’s federal government had agreed to file a petition to the international court against the planned $1.7 billion project along the Uruguay River shared by the two countries. Argentine government officials could not be reached for comment. Busti argued the mills violated a treaty between Argentina and Uruguay allowing both countries to administer the Uruguay River.”

R119993
3 years ago
lday

die of thirst rather than admit hemp makes best pulp~
stupid human tricks! :-(

R127704
3 years ago
Agustina

Uruguay confirms that it will go to the O.A.S. because of the the cut of the bridges

The vice chancellor, Belela Herrera, said that there isnt a defined date yet to make the presentation. And that president Tabaré Vázquez “is very worried” about the issue.
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The Uruguayan government confirmed today that it will take before the Organization of the American States (O.A.S.) the conflict of the pulp factories, because of the damages the country is suffering as a result of the the cut of route and bridges by Argentine environmentalists. Vice Chancellor Belela Herrera confirmed that the decision was made by president Tabaré Vázquez.

“There is a proposal of Vázquez in that sense, but the date is not defined. The president is very worried” about the subject, said Herrera to Clarín.

The possibility had already been considered that Uruguay presented the issue before the O.A.S. or United Nations (UN), if the Argentine attitude of blocking two of three international bridges that connect both countries continues.

The blockades of Argentine environmentalists began in December in the bridgeheads that unite Gualeguaychú with Fray Bentos and Colón with Paysandú. Uruguayan civil employees and industralists have denounced for some time the economic damages that these protests cause them.

The bridge between Gualeguayú and Fray Bentos remains cut from the 3 of February, whereas the fluvial step between Paysandú and Colón is blocked from the past Thursday 16.

Even, several civil employees described the cuts as a “economic blockade”. In that sense, the minister of Uruguayan Transport, Ví­ctor Rossi, said yesterday that “there is a blockade that at this point is easy to understand that the environmental preoccupation transformed itself into a very important economic damage for Uruguay”. The minister faces the reclamations of the companies of transport of passengers and load by the disadvantages that they have as a result of the protests.

In that sense, Rossi affirmed that Uruguay “is going to cross all the ways to defend its interest and the interest of its population”.

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