Much as I want further ammunition to oppose slavery and mistreatment of workers I can’t take this article seriously until you correct your link and I can research further.

I don’t like this article to be entitled China’s sweatshop instead of Apple’s sweatshop or Hon Hai’s sweatshop and I’ll tell you why. I’m not going to argue the facts. Instead, I just want to say that sweatshops are as old as the hills. When I was little they were all over the southern United States as far north as New Jersey and even into Brooklyn. They still exist in the U.S. and there are hundreds of thousands of prisoners right now who earn pennies an hour all over the U.S., besides Mexican slave prosititutes and child sex objects in the tens of thousands in the U.S. Migrant agricultural workers are still virtually enslaved in the U.S. by some giant agribusinesses. Drug mules from all over the world, but particularly from Latin America are used to produce big cash for crime syndicates that fund political campaigns and provide the grist for the prison industry. Are you an Ameircan senss because vigilance begins at home.

Then, after many sweat shops were closed down in the U.S., Japan and Korea became giant sweatshops, meanwhile Latin America remained a chain of banana republics serving the U.S. corporations for decades. Mexico still has such low wages that some households need four or five incomes to survive and immigrants continue to stream into the U.S.

To the extent that China is now taking its turn in this transnational corporate nomadic exploitation of workers, one needs to consider if the workers in some of the lowest paying jobs would be better off without any work at all. The whole thing of these industries is that they exploit the labor market and the timing of their entry from region to region, sort of supply and demand. I don’t think it’s like China is governing this process very much at all, but rather has acquiesced to the market system frontwards and backwards as it has begun to open up more and more to the outside world.

What I’m saying is not that any unfair labor practices in China is a good thing or is not a bad thing. I’m just saying that there has been a lot of looking at different things these past few years and months as China things instead of corporate capitalist and imperialist things.

I really think the emphasis is in the wrong place and that a lot of the attacks on China involve a readying on the part of U.S. operatives, directly and through proxies, and even sometimes through naive self-supposed do-gooders, to use China as a grand target of fullscale political and military attack as America comes closer and closer to getting unmasked as the evil career villain that it has been since even before its national incorporation.

there has been a lot of looking at different things these past few years and months as China things instead of corporate capitalist and imperialist things.

Yeah thats so true!!!!! Like totally!! And its such a good thing that Chinese people dont think in the whole “China thing” way. Infact, they are very humble people who rarely refer to themselves as “Chinese people”.

The Chinese govt really has no control over the capitalist explosion and certainly are NOT PROFITING FROM IT!!!!!!! oh my god lot you are so fucking stupid.

_What I’m saying is not that any unfair labor practices in China is a good thing or is not a bad thing. _

Actually you said nothing there because you are a moron, but I get the drift.

Because its Chinese people doing it, its not as bad as Americans doing it. I get it.

I really think the emphasis is in the wrong place and that a lot of the attacks on China involve a readying on the part of U.S. operatives, directly and through proxies, and even sometimes through naive self-supposed do-gooders, to use China as a grand target of fullscale political and military attack as America comes closer and closer to getting unmasked as the evil career villain that it has been since even before its national incorporation.

HOly fuck kill yourself you are so stupid that it hurts.

Because some slanty eyed yellow people are fucking the planet and a bunch of poor people its ok, because the US govt exists? Fuck you.

I must note that “Gods… so-called “...gravy” comes out of the woodwork of a GNN ID with no biography and no blogs and no anything, except a photo of some Canadian beer bottles or something at like 5:00 AM EST just to answer my recent post, but first he pulled up Nada’s Support the Troops and spouted an-anthrax-death-to-stupid-Americans rant, and this is the kind of psychopath that represents what I see as part of the holier-than-thou psychosis, which cannot establish legitimate priorities or evaluate reality rationally.

The reality of history is that different nations have taken turns one-by-one or in clusters over the past several centuries to build themselves up in riches and power and that they can be looked at in absolute or relative terms regarding the exploitation of their own working classes and the working classes of neighboring countries and distant countries through wars, invasions, enslavement, exploitation and oppression.

China’s ongoing bonding with world capitalist imperialist
corporate activities is part of a long history of capitalist imperialist victories, which at other times saw much greater oppression and exploitation of the Chinese masses than now, with much less benefits to the Chinese masses than now. And, as America continues to lead capitalist imperialism, it is not just a bad American government that exists, but an evil system that is actually headed by American and transnational corporations with tens of millions of American shareholders, executives and workers as beneficiaries.

Your inability to escape yourself no matter how many personalities and pseudonyms you project is the punishment for your sociopathological delusions, your fascism and your anal compulsions.

You are either a Chinese govt agent or insane.

“must note that “Gods… so-called ”...gravy” comes out of the woodwork of a GNN ID with no biography and no blogs and no anything,”

So he not having a blog means that he cant tell you that you are completely insane? No I dont think so. You speak for yourself….

To the extent that China is now taking its turn in this transnational corporate nomadic exploitation of workers, one needs to consider if the workers in some of the lowest paying jobs would be better off without any work at all.

Yeah of course they would be better off..

But if its china doing it it must be ok. You are a pathetic nationalistic fuck. You left America to go to China.

Yeah China..

you pathetic stupid fuck

Lot08 is chinese govt.

I just can’t see them being THAT bad at pretending not to be… Maybe though… I wonder if he’s not just one of those weirdo AMericans who had something bad happen to him (he said he was arrested earlier) and has now decided no matter what others do it’s not so bad becuase AMerica is just evil and everything is their fault.

labor abuse is part of the game if profit is the goal and we are suprised why? look at anything you own and ask if you could make it for the price you paid or ask what it would cost if you did? there tends to be a ton of opinion on the morality if you consider it an unessary item and then if you want it the origin is of no matter. As 92% can’t pass a current affairs exam i doubt if they know or care. Shopping with a concience can send you on an infinite search Try and find an on shore made toaster…..
“ “‘Workers at these factories earn more—about $100 a month—but are not housed by the company. The paper says rent and living costs eat up about half the worker’s salaries.”

the US minimum wage is the lowest in 40 plus years and most people pay 1/2 their income for food and housing except of course for our 3.3 million homeless ( US Can combined)

wait so only the whitebread WASP-class in the US is allowed to profit from the exploitation of labor? Who is going to tell the Chinese how to run their government and pay their workers? You flag-waving jingo boys? Look around. Maybe they are beating us at our own game. You think the WASPS wouldn’t love to pay all the workers here like they do in China? I wonder how many people on this site actually have to work to support themselves and aren’t rich little socialists whose mommy and daddy paid for everything. Hey exploiting workers is fucked up no matter who does it—let’s worry about how the overclass fucks everyone else RIGHT HERE and why we let them get away with a minimal minimum wage and exporting worthwhile jobs over to China and India.
I wipe my ass with your fucking flag ONLY to piss you off

Memnoch,
It’s prbably selfish, but b/c of where you are, I wish you’d critique Lot instead; “you pathetic stupid fuck” doesn’t teach me how you’ve seen his position proved wrong.

The paper says rent and living costs eat up about half the worker’s salaries.

Only half? That’s pretty good. Better than most Americans.

That’s pretty good

It may be comparable to American standards, but I wouldn’t call it ‘good’.

edit: but I think I know what you mean, 20% of Canadians spend 53% of their income on food, shelter and clothing. So it’s not exactly a stunning fact..

“I wish you’d critique Lot instead; “you pathetic stupid fuck” doesn’t teach me how you’ve seen his position proved wrong.”

Most people in China earn less then 300 yuan a month (800 yuan is 100 dollars).

The Chinese govt is worse than the us govt in that they set up their people to work slave wages and conditions for thier own prosperity. Lot cant see that because he is either Chinese govt or a moron.

The paper says rent and living costs eat up about half the worker’s salaries.

“Only half? That’s pretty good. Better than most Americans.”

THere are only a few things here that are cheaper than in the states. Like 2kuai noodles, the people living off 300 yuan a month salary are not living any kind of life that americans live. Just because they can save half their salary doesnt mean anything. I can tell you for sure they arent spending that extra 20 dollars a month on x boxes and burger king.

linger:He’s only really saying two things

1)Sweat Shops have always been around so it’s not China’s fault they have them. Which if you buy into that than fine that’s your choice.

2)Even if you don’t buy into the first point it’s still not China’s fault because they are just being used by the Imperialists and capitalists. However China is not being used by them they are using the imperialists and capitalists to create the infrastructure this country needs to succeed in the future as a world power. China is actively inviting these people into it’s borders because it knows that the more of these shops it creates the more money flows into it’s economy and the better China will be in the future. So this idea that China is just some innocent victim in this play is foolish as they are a full fledged member in this, not some bystander looking on in fear.

Oh and he goes on to his usual drivel about how anyone critical of China must be a AMerican spy/secret agent working against China to help build for the coming war. Sorry Lot08 there will be no war, China has already won the war. America lost, it was an economic war and America rolled over and went belly up. China is the next world power regardless of what memnoch, myself or George Bush have to say about it.

“20% of Canadians spend 53% of their income on food, shelter and clothing. So it’s not exactly a stunning fact..”

You haven’t seen the shelters and food they live on though…

You haven’t seen the shelters and food they live on though…

good point.

Obviously, nothing anyone can say or do will change the fact that 90% of what we wear and use in the US will be made using labor practices that aren’t exactly kosher. I bet the Ipod’s competitors aren’t made in much better conditions. I think there is some value in trying to get the word out though, getting people to be aware of how what they buy affects people’s lives on the other side of the world.

Snarkhunter? WTF?

LOL.

I’m just glad you aren’t a Boojum.