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Coalition to probe bombing of Afghan villagers
They had to destroy the village to save it. After Taliban fighters took refuge in a village in southern Afghanistan, coalition special forces called in helicopters and bombers to help them escape the fighting. At least 17 civilians were killed, though some survivors say at least 40 were killed as homes and a school were bombed. One 12 year old boy was orphaned after the 8 other members of his family were killed.
Coalition officials initially denied they were investigating, but a senior Pentagon official promised a full investigation by U.S. troops.
[Posted By totalstranger]Republished from Globe and Mail
KANDAHAR, AFGHANISTAN — The U.S.-led military coalition in Afghanistan has bowed to mounting pressure for a full investigation into the deaths of at least 17 civilians during a coalition bombing attack in Canada’s area of operations in southern Afghanistan.
The civilian deaths sparked outrage in Afghanistan and Canada yesterday. Afghan President Hamid Karzai announced that he was calling for a “full explanation” from the coalition commander, U.S. Lieutenant-General Karl Eikenberry.
In a statement by his office yesterday, Mr. Karzai also accused the Taliban of using civilians as human shields, decrying what he called an “act of cowardice.”
In Ottawa, Liberal defence critic Ujjal Dosanjh demanded that Canada either hold its own investigation, if Canadian forces prove to have been involved, or demand that its coalition partners undertake one.
“This is not how you win the hearts and minds of people,” Mr. Dosanjh said.
“I know casualties and collateral damage; we use that euphemism all the time. Collateral damage is ordinary people. If we’ve had a significant number of ordinary Afghanis dying, we need to know why and how.”
Spokespeople for Defence Minister Gordon O’Connor did not return repeated telephone calls yesterday.
In Kandahar, coalition officials insisted at first that no formal investigation was being conducted, although they…
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I do believe Major Scott Lundy is famous for NOT finding Radovan Karadzic .
Major Scott Lundy, said the bombing attacks “will have dampened the mood somewhat” among the villagers
Yeah, and those villagers are going to be only “somewhat” pissed at the Canadian’s who are in charge of the region. The only problem is that the Canadian forces didn’t order the strike, nor do they have aerial capability. One thing that this indicates is that the U.S. command is making decisions that jeopardize all the troops in the area, including the Canadians who were have supposed to take on full leadership in the area, but for whatever reason have not done so yet.
The situation in Afghanistan is quite the cluster-fuck these days (from what I gather, I haven’t been, so I can’t really say for sure), and by continuing to disregard Afghani lives, the coalition is failing its mandate.
Ya, because you don’t think these guys all have their hands in each other’s pockets?
I’m not talking about the boots on the ground.
I’m not talking about the boots on the ground
I am. I’m worried for ‘em, Ubi.
If decisions like this continue to be made, regardless of who ordered what, than it will jeopardize their lives and their mission. Yeah, it was “cowardly” that the taliban or whoever these guys are entered the village for cover. But it was a bad idea to allow the fire fight to proceed into the village. It was able to continue, eventually leading to the air-strike in question because killing these guys was more important to the command than saving Afghani lives. The Afghan people realize this, and are rightfully pissed. This puts the “boots” in even more risk than they had been already.
But I guess they had to bomb the village to save it.
Harper let the mission slide to activy duty under the americans rather than ‘the diplomatic defence and developement “ espoussed on the Canadian government website under the UN didn’t he? And he recently railroaded a bill of continued deployment through the government. HOLD HIM CULPABLE next election
The story here is that Canada has the mandate in southern Afghanistan but the US can do any operations on their own without notifying Canadian sector command. Mixed chains of command … snafus and Canadians taking the blame.
Canada’s mission is winning the peace. Callous answers like “collateral damage is inevitable” is contempt of the role and mission Canada takes. Now we are singeled as accountable as region command HQ.
Can someone just ring a phone to our force’s commander before dropping their bombs in the region where we are ACCOUNTABLE.
*According to the coalition*, the forces came under severe pressure from Taliban fighters hiding on village rooftops.
I’m sure they were dressed in their Taliban outfits, that’s how they could tell weren’t just pissed-off Afghan villagers.
Peace.Jeez, I’d be wary of hosting traditional dances in folkloric dress, bound to be a US aviator out there who’ll take this as a display of force.
Can someone just ring a phone to our force’s commander before dropping their bombs in the region where we are ACCOUNTABLE
Good post, mike.
It makes me smirk sometimes, when Canucks are so upset that their troops are coming under fire. It makes me laugh when I remember how my Canuck friends FIERCELY defended their “wonderful” political system, that is “so much superior” to that we have here in the USA.
Yet one money worshipper that comes to power, pulls the thin veil off of your military and puts them openly in support of USA and wow… you’re upset. But not upset enough to recall the bastard eh? All I can say is, you reap what you sow, just as we all will reap what we’ve allowed the rich bastards to sow… no doubt about it.
Khyron: Canucks are so upset that their troops are coming under fire
Yes we are. Not all of us voted for Harper, and even the ones that did vote for him don’t want to see anyone, including fellow Canadian’s, get killed in a pointless war.
I’m not sure who’s political system is better, ours seems to work for us. Except that Harper’s move toward unilateralism and secrecy in mirroring your administration’s governing style, and Canadian’s are rightfully wary of this. If it continues, we will act to get our MPs to call a no-confidence vote (Canada’s version of a recall).
But keep in mind, before you lecture us on our responsibilities remember that Bush is still in office. Was it a case of you being “ not upset enough “ to get him impeached? Probably not, so keep your smirks and righteous indignation to yourself.
Are you upset that your troops are in Afghanistan, or because they are coming under fire?
“But keep in mind, before you lecture us on our responsibilities remember that Bush is still in office. “
No I was not actually. I was going to point out what fantastic work US forces are doing in bringing freedom and modernity to a dark Islamic part of the globe and how Canada’s contribution was rather small.
Are you upset that your troops are in Afghanistan, or because they are coming under fire
Not either, really. What’s bothers me most about this specific incident in the headline above is the disregard for both the Afghani and Canadian lives by the U.S. command in Afghanistan. If it was the Canadian command making decisions that resulted in unnecessary Afghani and Canadian deaths, than I’d be pissed at them too.
Bringing freedom and modernity to the region is a woefully outdated paternalistic concept that is so ideologically out to lunch that anyone who advocates it cannot be taken as having an even incidental connection with reality.
Canada should demand full authority on all operations in Southern Afghanistan or withdraw. Canada’s UN mandate isn’t just a cover for US over extension. Those who’ll take the blame should make the calls. It’s just plain logic. If a US strike is required it should follow chain of command through Region authority, .i.e Canadian contingent.