I don’t care if they bring with them chocolate sundaes and caviar. They are ILLEGAL. Even if their economic benefits are the difference between us being peaches and cream and living in a great depression, they are ILLEGAL. We will figure out our own problems, and the Mexicans need to figure out theirs. We don’t cross into their country illegally and they shouldn’t cross into ours. Enf of Story.

Yeah, 11 billion dollar contribution? Amazing!

Sounds like if you do a criminal act, like rob a bank, but give some of your procedes to the government, they’ll let you off.

The United States spend more then 10 billion dollars a year jailing illegal immigrants for their crimes they commit when they get here. The fact they contribute 11 billion isn’t that much.

I agree, and in fact it has been shown that illegals have a much higher propensity to commit violent crimes than Americans.

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I agree, and in fact it has been shown that illegals have a much higher propensity to commit violent crimes than Americans.
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Well illegal immigrants don’t get criminal background checks before they enter the country. Legal immigrants do.

So is it any wonder the amount that are in jail compared to normal populace?

“The United States spend more then 10 billion dollars a year jailing illegal immigrants for their crimes they commit when they get here. The fact they contribute 11 billion isn’t that much.”

And yet the state of California uses prisoners in their private prison industry (the largest private prsion industry in the world) as slave laborers. Major corporations like Target, Macy’s and Microsoft get contracts with prisons to use prisoners to make their products. They stop providing jobs for law abiding citizens and then use prisoners as slaves. This means that even the $10 bln figure for incarceration is offset by the value added to the economy by their forced labor (not to mention the value added to the economy by paying them depressed wages to work in the fields in our Ag industries).

Immigrants add more value than they take from society. There is no arguing against this if you are willing take any kind of facts into consideration.

Illegal immigration is a problem for various security and human rights reasons, but cost to the state is not one of them. That’s like the pre civil war south complaining about the undue burden of feeding and housing the slaves (which was a complaint they made from time to time).

“ it has been shown that illegals have a much higher propensity to commit violent crimes than Americans.”

Where has this “been shown”?

The United States spend more then 10 billion dollars a year jailing illegal immigrants for their crimes they commit when they get here. The fact they contribute 11 billion isn’t that much.

It’s not the “illegals” fault the US government has such a hard on for imprisoning people. The US leads the world in both number of people in prison and largest percentage of it’s population in prison. If the US had such an issue with the cost of imprisoning people, they wouldnt imprison so many of them.

Well illegal immigrants don’t get criminal background checks before they enter the country. Legal immigrants do.

As I pointed out elsewhere, a criminal background check will not find any crimes that a person was not convicted for.
A “legal” immigrant could be a serial killer, and if he isn’t caught for it, he will probably get in “legally”. Using people’s past to try and predict what they will do in the future is not a reliable gauge anyway.

The current President was convicted of drunk driving when he was youunger, would a criminal background check on him done in 1988 that showed the drunk driving conviction, have be a good way of predicting that he would one day be President? No, it wouldn’t have.

That criminal background check might find that the person did have a criminal record and guess what? It doesn’t prove anything, if Nelson Mandella wanted to immigrate to the US his background check would show convictions for terrorist/anti-government actions, how exactly would that be a basis for keeping him out? The convictions were bullshit, but they are there, just looking at a record is stupid because it is practically useless, if a person is at the point where they are going through a background check, then it’s because they have served their sentence for the crime already. Holding that against them is narrow minded, and does not address any issues of concern regarding imigration into the country.

So is it any wonder the amount that are in jail compared to normal populace?

Like I said the US leads the world in both number of people in prison and largest percentage of it’s population in prison. So your “normal populace” argument has no merit, Stupid.

For someone who proclaims themself to be so smart and intellectual, you sure don’t show it with the positions you take on things. All of the positions I’ve seen you have on anything have been just about the most superficial, false, intellectually dishonest, nonsensical and bigoted garbage I’ve seen anyone have. Instead of jumping to the “fuck minorities, whitey number one, fuck foriegners” stance like an idiot everytime, you could go get the sex-change completed and be able to finally live your life as the woman you are Patty.

Even if their economic benefits are the difference between us being peaches and cream and living in a great depression, they are ILLEGAL.

In other words, who cares if they would make the country better and be a benefit to society, they are filthy wetbacks, niggers, or dinks, so fuck them. I’m sure David Duke would be proud of you for taking such a courageous stance on the issue. Fucking stupid, selfish, ignorant bigot, I hope your family burns to death in a house fire.

“I hope your family burns to death in a house fire.”

Ouch, ‘Juice. Izzy pisses me off too with his smarmy racist bs, but damn, let’s not sink to dude’s level.

Izzy pisses me off too with his smarmy racist bs, but damn, let’s not sink to dude’s level.

Like Waco, when the government burned 70+ innocent ppl alive, remember the government is always right, so if they burn down Izzy’s house and his family dies it’s ok.

Ah.

You failed to mention the government’s involvement. Izzy himself might give them a pass on this since they can do no wrong.

I’ll lay off of chiding you for this sort of thing in the future. In some ways it’s gratifying to see someone fighting back even if it’s in what I’d consider the “wrong way”. I’d have more respect for the Dems if they could fight dirty like the Reps instead of being the eternal pu$$y party.

Do your thing, man.

“Ouch, ‘Juice. Izzy pisses me off too with his smarmy racist bs, but damn, let’s not sink to dude’s level.”

If you feel that way, tell me what I said that is smarmy rasict bullshit. I really don’t know. Perhaps I am too wrapped up in the correctness of my beliefs that I have overlooked the consequences and implications of what I say.

“Like Waco, when the government burned 70+ innocent ppl alive, remember the government is always right, so if they burn down Izzy’s house and his family dies it’s ok.”

But Juice, I can’t understand this. Why do you take on the cause of the Branch Davidians? You know that the government didn’t try and kill them, that their leader David Koresh likely set the fire and shot himself to avoid being burn alive. Even if the facts are contentous, you still have the option of not saying the one sided inciteful garbage you say.

In other words, juice, it is not about waco is it? It is about you taking an opportunity to condemn the government as idiotic and gratuitous as your waco words are.

Even if the facts are contentous, you still have the option of not saying the one sided inciteful garbage you say.

I think that it would negatively affect GNN if i were to take that option.

It is about you taking an opportunity to condemn the government as idiotic

Not at all, but at the same time it should be clear that i think the government is a roadblock to true freedom and an unneeded problem. Unlike you I don’t need to identify with the government to show patriotism or to try and make myself seem better than everyone, because I understand that as much as they (the govt) want people to think it, and as much as people believe it, the government is not America.

What does that have to do with you blamng Clinton and Janet Reno for what happened at waco? If Bush were the Presidnet at that time, I’ll bet you that the outcome may not have been any better.

“If you feel that way, tell me what I said that is smarmy rasict bullshit. “

My homie, you’ve been relatively tame on this particluar thread – merely asserting without proof that illegal immigrants are more prone to violence and that their benefits or needs are unimportant – but in various conversations I’ve heard you use some of the foulest, racist, hateful comments about Arabs, blacks and anyone on the left who disagrees with you. Confusingly, you once argued against racism in the same post you called the Governor of okinawa a “yellow bastard” or some such thing.

I disagree with you quite often, but most objectionable to me is your manner of making your arguments. Too often I find your statements to be smarmy, hateful and based on a position of ignorance.

California spends 1.4 Billion a year jailing illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday
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They are a net drain… they contribute, but they take more then they contribute.

Mr. Stein noted that state and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but do not match expenses

So because the government spends the money it is the “illegal” aliens fault that the government spent it? “illegals” don’t tell the government what to spend $ on, and “illegals” don’t control what the government spends on.

I almost forgot. I had wanted to ask you something about your picture.

What the fuck is that on your face?

Also, the Lyndie England look is fucking hot.

it’s the shading, the black and white .gif makes images look wierd…

SaraPatrick, what up? How much did your sex change cost?

Any comments on how Stormfront and similar whitepower movements are infiltrated by the guvmint?

I like me cheap lettuce.

I like to score a 1/4 lb. in the middle of downtown San Diego for $120.

If they legalize all these guys, who’s going to do this kind of work?

“Any comments on how Stormfront and similar whitepower movements are infiltrated by the guvmint?”

They are heavily infiltrated by the government, matt lauder comes to mind.

Now, any comments on how GNN is infiltrated by the government?

“Now, any comments on how GNN is infiltrated by the government?“

GNN is a tiny filament of ZOG.

“GNN is a tiny filament of ZOG...”

Are you even an Israeli?

Are you trying to say GNN is designed to further ZOG? That wouldn’t be Guerilla news, considering that is what most news companies already do.

AS2…anybody who promotes Zionism here is from “a” government??

Further elaborate

Further elaborate“

Gosh … If it weren’t Top Sekrit Joo stuff I would.

Maybe GWb will have Rove declassify it.

it’s the shading, the black and white .gif makes images look wierd

No, below your nose. It looks like some kind of grimace on your face.

“They are a net drain… they contribute, but they take more then they contribute.”

No they don’t

here’s a quote from the same article.

“Beyond taxes, these workers’ production and spending contribute to California’s economy, especially the agricultural sector,” he said, adding that both legal and illegal aliens are the “backbone” of the state’s $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry.”

Couthern slave owners also complained about the cost of feeding and housing their slaves, but do any of us think it cost them more to use slaves than to not use them? The cost is being shifted to the poor as usaual, but the net cost is a positive gain for the state and corps of Cali.

Of course, that last paragraph should begin “Southern slave owners”, not what I typed.

I’m also not saying I think it’s ok to exploit these immigrant workers for the economic benefit of the country. It’s not, but to claim they cost us more than they give us is just wrong. You haven’t even factored in the added GDP from prison labor being used to make products for corporations. Again, it’s not the right thing, but it is an economic benefit.

Dios mio, darme paciencia con su creación. Ellos tiena mucho ignorancia.

Screw the illegal immigrants and send their illegal asses packing back home NOW. Their presence only enables shitty corporations to further exploit the american worker using pressure of low wage slaves being available in all states. Yeah- it sucks to get deported back to mexico but that’s what happens when you are illegal.

MAKE NO MISTAKE- AMERICA IS CURRENTLY BY THE CORPORATIONS FOR THE CORPORATIONS and they have a MASSIVE pulsating hard-on for cheap exploited labor and that’s why are seeing such a soft media spin on this issue that needs a HARD LINE. They want to trick the american people into thinking they can vote on an issue that they have already decided on beforehand- they will keep cheap labor at the expense of everything american and dress it up so that you think you are fighting for liberty and freedom when you are really buttering up your butt for more worker exploitation.

Guys lets not dance around the facts.

The reason why Mexico is what it is, and the US is what it is, has to do with the fact the US is simpy a better country with better people. Pardon me for sounding crude by telling the obvious truth that no-one else will say. That is just my opinion but is in agreement with the facts. Obviosly, if you flood a country like the US with Mexicans, it is like seeping sewage water with fresh drinking water. You can do all the studies you wants. The fact is that Mexiacans are an underclass. The US is not a third world country and we don’t need third world jobs filled by thrid world people. Let those third world jobs stay in the third world. So what? Our plantation owners can’t get slave wages, let them go out of business and let the land regrow back to forest. The US can make planes and software and the Mexicans can grow tomatoes and make whatever.

This argument for illegals that says we need their pathetic low wages is crap. I’d rather keep the US a better country. Let the Mexicans be a proud people who can think anything they want to about themselves or us. As long as they do it from mexico.

The fact is that the US is now filled up, this is not the 19 th century when we needed Irishment and Germans etc to full up the unsettled spots. We are packed and full. Our drinking water in the south west has reached its maximum sutainable population.

Guys lets not dance around the facts…. The reason why Mexico is what it is, and the US is what it is, has to do with the fact the US is simpy a better country with better people. Pardon me for sounding crude by telling the obvious truth that no-one else will say. That is just my opinion but is in agreement with the facts. Obviosly, if you flood a country like the US with Mexicans, it is like seeping sewage water with fresh drinking water. You can do all the studies you wants. The fact is that Mexiacans are an underclass. The US is not a third world country and we don’t need third world jobs filled by thrid world people. Let those third world jobs stay in the third world. So what? Our plantation owners can’t get slave wages, let them go out of business and let the land regrow back to forest. The US can make planes and software and the Mexicans can grow tomatoes and make whatever.

actually, absolutely none of that is true. The facts are that Merka’s inbreeding habits are no longer contained to the Ozarks but now a nationwide phenomena. America needs new blood. The Mexicans are industrious, hard working, and given the opportunity quite loyal and honest. On the other hand, Americans are fat, lazy, underhanded and will sell their own sister for an extra hit of crack. Mexicans respect themselves a lot more having no interest in dehumanizing themselves with such worthless substances. Even George Bush knows this and is underhandedly allowing the immigration to continue, realizing it’s for the best.

The Mexican will put in a full 10 hour day and at the end of it ask you if there’s anything else he could do before he calls it a day, or if there’s anything he can bring you the next day from town on his way back to work. The white sloppy lard assed American begins watching the clock after having put in a totally unproductive 7.25 hours, oh wait, make that 6.25 hours.. aside from lunch, there’s 2 coffee breaks as well,.. and is pissed about having to stay for the last 5 mins with his thumb up his ass. It’s cutting into his American Idol and Survivor viewing time.

The Indo-Americans aren’t afraid of a honest days work either and are taking over various sectors of industry abandoned and/or neglected by the lazy slob American. The Chinese have all but decimated your manufacturing.. and the water thing, well you’re full of shit there as well. There’s plenty of fresh water to go around… oh wait I forgot, that’s right, we have your fucking water….

ha ha ha ha

well Izzy, hate to break it to ya but between the Mexicans, the Chinese, the Canadians and the Pakis, you guys are basically fucked !!!

that’s gotta suck I guess.

justlurking, a chinese man will work an entire days labor for 40 cents a day. Does that mean I should?

justlurking, a chinese man will work an entire days labor for 40 cents a day. Does that mean I should?

Depends. Your days labor probably isn’t even worth 40 cents.

Does that mean I should?

and if it means cuttin back on your diet of twinkies, ding dongs and cheese burgers thereby droppin 150 lbs off that fat ass of yours… then I’d say yea. Do you some good.