“And Vanunu knows exactly what Israel is doing because all his former collegues at Dimona keep him up to date on the latest news from Israel. Also his contacts in the Israel Cabinet keep him up to date on the latest strategies of the Israeli government.”

Only a far leftist could believe this tripe.

Vanunu “Mordechai Vanunu: Killing Palestinians, including civilians – demolishing their houses and pushing people into ghettoes – isn’t that terrorism?”

No, but it does give us a bit of insight into your bizarre Odyssey, Mr Nunu.

For what it’s worth, my money is and has been on the Israelis for years as the rogue nation to start WW3. Hopefully they will get what they have long had coming to them for their abuse and mistreatment of Palestinian refugees. I’m actually sick of the propaganda scrawl across the bottom of the TV almost religiously informing me of Iran’s imaginary nuclear weapons. Either ignore it, bomb it or shut up already—Iran has the same right to self-defense as Israel and Pakistan, especially with a belligerent occupying power in the country right next door.

Yeah I’d say bulldozing homes, pushing people into ghettos, flying over towns with your fighter jets and creating sonic booms—sounds like a form of state-terrorism if you ask me. Again, the Jisraelis have learned well from their Nazi masters—Hitler and Co. would definitely be proud.

Good point, Izzy – still, do you really doubt that Israel wants to bomb Iran? It may not be a nuke, but still…

no country has the right to have nuclear weapons, they just do. i mean, legally sure, but, fuck that. i don’t wanna see israelis get wiped up off the map, just the state of israel. i don’t want the jews living there to be presecuted, unless they did wrong, and even then, we all are wrong. The number one killer in the israeli army is suicide, i think that shows that no one is enjoying this situation, not the die hards on either side, not the people in the middle, no one, expect maybe the state of israel, and the state of iran. if we don’t get to smashing states here pretty soon, we’re fucking doomed, its a no brainer, but then again, sometimes don’t you just wanna say “fuck it!”? its like watching a wrestling match on t.v. go on for years and years, but instead of someone getting a belt or some shit, chances are everyone will just be left with a bunch of sand, even those pretty little palm trees in tel aviv probably wont live through whatever bombs everyone starts dropping, forget the olive trees.

this time I agree with izzy

CIA Gave Iran Bomb Plans, Book Says: In a clumsy effort to sabotage Iran’s nuclear program, the CIA in 2004 intentionally handed Tehran some top-secret bomb designs laced with a hidden flaw that US officials hoped would doom any weapon made from them, according to a new book about the US intelligence agency.

though i cannot agree with Iffy, i do certainly hope that Vanunu is wrong.

i pray Vanunu is wrong.

we know Israel has nukes.

it is safe to assume that if you have nukes, you will develop a plan for their use, even if you hope to never use it.

you don’t have nukes without plans to use them.

a plan for use requires potential targets.

who else would Israel logically target in a war-game?

Iran is certainly up there.

so i would say that Vanunu is most likely correct, though it may not be the sort of plan that is intended to be carried out. or perhaps it is. either way, to say that they have no such plan is rediculous. the US has many such plans. so do our allies.

“it is safe to assume that if you have nukes, you will develop a plan for their use, even if you hope to never use it.”

Israel will use nukes on Iran as a means of self defense. Iran has no right to attack Israel, and a victim has an inherent right to self defense.

“because all his former collegues at Dimona keep him up to date on the latest news from Israel. Also his contacts in the Israel Cabinet keep him up to date on the latest strategies of the Israeli government.“

Is this supposition? Or is it in invisible font?

I don’t see that anywhere.

He does base his estimate of the current nuke stockpile on a capabilty he knew firsthand. That kind of forecast doesn’t involve leftist anything.

LOGIC, Izzard, LOGIC.

Sheesh you’re a fucking crackpot.

A Jewish first strike using a nuke would be a grave mistake. Certainly they will use a wide range of non-nuclear weapons to bring down the Iranian project. There are plenty that are suitable for the job, and the Iranians know it.

Israel will use nukes on Iran as a means of self defense. Iran has no right to attack Israel, and a victim has an inherent right to self defense.

i would say that no one has a “right” to attack anyone else, offensively or pre-emtively. i would agree that a victim has an inherent right to self defense.

has Iran attacked Israel?

i would also argue that Israel has a highly trained and highly effective elite military force, so there’s no need to nuke Iran to protect Israel.

AS2: you need an avatar image:

many more

“AS2: you need an avatar image:“

Last time I took the time to upload a cool one, Anthony the dipshit deleted the account for a dumbshit reason.

Your …. Ahem …. suggestion has a racist overtone.

Your …. Ahem …. suggestion has a racist overtone.

i hope you’re being facetious

“i hope you’re being facetious“

You too.

Hopefully they will get what they have long had coming to them

But that’s not how it works, Belfagor. When nations clash, many innocent bystanders get hurt. Your wishes of death and destruction show you to be a typical leftist fuckhead. Not everyone in Israel ageees with the policies of the government – people protest the government’s actions all the time. Are they just unfortunate casualties to slake your thirst for revenge, Mr. Hypocrite?

petty name calling. how gnn

nothing like calling other people “fags”

makes one feel great, doesn’t it?

sheesh

makes one feel great, doesn’t it?

Not really, no. A name like Belphagor, with the “phag” in the middle, is too obvious to pass up.

I’m not a good writer and even though I’m a veracious reader my vocabulary is limited… For forty-some years I have existed on this insignificant planet that orbits around a fireball that orbits thru an average galaxy, which moves through a hostel environment we call space, at a truly incredible speed… we all need to consider this every once in awhile.

I’d say if we took all them religious books, the Koran, Bible… ect, and burned them! Than make all the religious cultures on this planet look at satellite photos of our planet earth every Sunday, while informing them that not one of their so-called Gods new the world was round. Maybe we would get some peace around here instead of wars over who’s God is God and my culture is the only culture he adores.

“What if there was no religion”; John Lennon

On that note, I think I’ll have another cup of coffee spiked with Captain Morgan’s Spiced Rum… later

it’s pheg, not phag

Hey Shogo Homo Its BelpHEGOR learn to read before you mock, Israeli loving fuckhead

Shogo, Plus if Israel is a democracy and most people don’t support the government’s policies, then how DOES an unpopular government get elected? It’s a propaganda LIE. I’m just curious—just WHO lived on the disputed land before Britain and the Balfour declaration came along?

Israel—doing their Nazi masters proud. If only Hitler had decided to exterminate another ethnicity or religion instead of the jews…just think of what they could have accomplished had Hitler and Sharon been on the same side

Israeli loving fuckhead

I love how when someone points out the cartoon-level simplemindedness that passes for commentary on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, they get labeled as “pro-Israel”.

Listen up you stupid fuck, I’m not at all “pro-Israel”. I think their militant oppression of the Palestinians is horrible.

However, if you look at the history of the conflict in that part of the world, you’ll see that both sides have contributed to the endless cycle of violence. I’m still waiting for some kind of non-violent passive resistance to happen there – since history has shown that to be an effective tactic (India, the US).

if Israel is a democracy and most people don’t support the government’s policies, then how DOES an unpopular government get elected

I don’t think I said “most” people don’t support their policies. However a significant percentage do. Does that mean they should all be judged according to the excesses of the worst of them? Does that fit your idea of “justice” you sociopathic leftist piece of shit?

Your idiotic use of hyperbole only shows one thing, Belfagor, that you’re about 15 years old mentally.

Sociopathic leftist piece of shit?
Stupid fuck?

Seems someone’s a little cranky…why not take a long walk off a short bridge, asswipe. And while you’re at it, go fuck your mother on the way down. The best news of the year is that murderous fuck Sharon had a stroke. LOVE IT.

15 years old mentally. Um, who was the one who started with the immature name-calling?

Sociopathic leftist piece of shit?

Yep. That’s you, Mr. Death Celebrator.

now boys – mind your language please – there are ladies (and kidz – don’t forget the kidz) present

I love this website…all the many perspectives on world events, important news stories either ignored or missed by mainstream media…plus some EXTREMELY touchy, self-righteous windbags who need to get off their high horse and lighten up. You’re right—we can’t blame all the Israelis for the actions of it’s government.

“i would also argue that Israel has a highly trained and highly effective elite military force, so there’s no need to nuke Iran to protect Israel.”

Only as a means to prevent an Iranian attack that could cause mass casualties, I am aware that Iran is currently run by bazoos, and that that will not always be the case. However, even bazoos can get out of control. Their little bazzo President could come one day out of Friday prayers all fired up by a local Ayatollah and present a clear and present threat to Israel. If so, Israel may have to pre-empt Iran by decommissioning their offensive weapons by means of large scale externally initiated, distruction.

“Not everyone in Israel ageees with the policies of the government “

Shogo, puleeze, don’t take on the cause of the Israeli people. The fact that Israel is a pleuralistic democracy is not the reason why filthy Iranian religious crackpots should not kill Israelis.

Shogo, puleeze, don’t take on the cause of the Israeli people.

Who said I was?

Kcoztips “Maybe we would get some peace around here (if we all became athiests) instead of wars over who’s God is God and my culture is the only culture he adores.”

Only Islam. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism don’t cause wars.

Have you ever heard of GeeHad. It is the religiously institutionalization by Islamic mullAHs, of war for the purpose of spreading and defending their religion. All other religions believe in freedom of religion and promote love and tolerance. And there does not exist one country on earth, other than Islamic, whose religion imposes itself on its people.

I’m still waiting for some kind of non-violent passive resistance to happen there.

there’s Gush Shalom, the Israeli Peace Bloc

there are the Israeli ‘Refuseniks’

there is the International Solidarity Movement

there are non-violent ‘Anarchists’ Against the Wall

and there are many many others working towards cooperative non-violent forms of conflict resolution

Only Islam. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism don’t cause wars.

are you insane?

i won’t be giving history lessons here, as the pure falacy of the above statement should be clear enough to those with even a preliminary understanding of world history

not sure if Buddhism has caused any wars directly, or Hinduism. there were certainly many wars in the ancient Hindu world (as their ancient texts document), but i’m not sure they were religiously motivated. they may have been, as particular Hindu gods and goddesses are at odds with others.

now read the OT, and you’ll hear “God” calling for war, genocide, sexual slavery, infanticide, fratricide, ect.

my own European ancestors, the Cathars, were extinguished (more or less) during the Inquisition in Europe.

while the Inquisition is not considered a “war,” it certainly involved extensive warfare and killing. i would call it a war. it was a war against “unbelievers,” ect.

Israeli professor says

We could destroy all European capitals

this time I agree with izzy — BurningMonk

I guess Monk is another write-off G. Nice knowing ya. Ignore list.

Only Islam. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism don’t cause wars . —Izzyman, the high grandmaster of complete fucktism

Hindus fought plenty wars, some of them with a bit of religious overtones. Christian and Buddhist Asians have gone ape-shit against each other. Medieval Central Asia saw battles between Islam, Buddhism, Zoroasterism, and various blends of paganism.

But wars seldom have a religious motive as their main component . The main components are economics, demographics, tribal and dynastic territorialism, and did I mention economics?

Israel wants to get its jabs in before a Middle-Eastern MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) raises its head – although where Pakistan, as the only current Muslim owner of the Bomb, sits in all of this is anyone’s guess. Pervez Musharraf has made noises about backing Iran, but methinks noises is all they are at this stage in the game. Anyone agree / disagree?

“not sure if Buddhism has caused any wars“

By the way Shifty, I’ve often heard the dictatorship ruling Burma described as the world’s only Buddhist dictatorship, witness the following;

“...Some people have claimed that SLORC’s (Burma’s State Law and Order Restoration Council) policy toward ethnic minorities is one of “Buddhification.” In Rangoon, for example, the government has destroyed Muslim cemeteries to make way for city projects and confiscated Muslim orphanages, old people’s homes, and mosques. Muslim leaders who complained have been jailed. SLORC’s discrimination and violence against Muslim Rohingyas in Arakan resulted in hundreds of thousands of refugees pouring into Bangladesh.

In Chin State the military has forced Christian villagers to remove crosses from hilltops and to replace them with pagodas. There are many charges of Christians being forced to convert to Buddhism. In 1994-95 SLORC lured Chin children from their Christian parents with promises of education in Rangoon. When the parents tried communicate with their children or to find information about them, they were denied all access. Later they discovered that instead of having been placed in schools, their children had been put in Buddhist monasteries, with their heads shaven and dressed in novices’ robes…”

That makes it seem like a Buddhist ‘fundamentalism’ at work for the worse in Burma – especially how elsewhere the article details atrocities committed against certain sects of Buddhism itself.

Michel Chossudovsky: Nuclear War against Iran: The launching of an outright war using nuclear warheads against Iran is now in the final planning stages. Coalition partners, which include the US, Israel and Turkey are in ‘‘an advanced stage of readiness.’‘

That traitor Vanunu should have been executed years ago. Israel has the right to exist, and if some crazy Muslim nation has the idiocy to even prepare to attack it, then they deserve to be destroyed before they try to destroy Israel. and shiftshaper as usual backs clearly irrational terrorist groups that hate Israel and Jews in general.

unitedforisrael, nice act, but weak parody. What gives you away is that you project onto an Israel supporter issues that concern Israel haters in reverse but not supporters of Israel. You cannot simply inverse an Israel hater and expect to get an Israel supporter.

For example: An Israel supporter would never say the following

“and shiftshaper as usual backs clearly irrational terrorist groups that hate Israel and Jews in general.”

Since an Israel supporter would never expect to go into the mind of a terrorist and expect it to be rational. To a Jew, terrorism is a phenomanon, not a political argument to be discussed rationally. A terrorist is a given. An Israli supporter would mock those in the West who support terrorists, usually with sarcasm, exposing the hypocracy and disingeneous nature of terrorist apolgists.

A Jew would say”

“and shiftshaper expresses his hate for Jews by conforting the terrorist groups.

In this case of course, Shifty doesn’t hate Jews. Jews and Israel are simply lined up politically on the opposite side of his socialist revolution.

Dear Morons, apologists for Islam.

Let me start by saying that while many of you are trying to recite history to me. Let’s stick to the facts.

Today, Islam is the only religion which;

A. Professes that it’s people should go to war and kill to defend its religion.

B That its organized institutions, demand death, for anyone who, converts away from Islam, encourages another to convert, commits blasphmy against Islam, or is even an apostate.

C. Islamic countries are amongst the only country where some conduct their foreign policy which includes threats of violence, is based on religion.

D. Islamic countries are the only countries where government policy and laws enforce adherence to Islam.

Crackerkjacks, please do not;

1. Discuss issues that are not at least from the 20th century.
2. Discuss political situations where sectarian violence was based on ethnic lines that happen to line up on religious traditions.

I know that you half educated dim wits are going to say Bush is a religious fanatic who attacks countries because God speaks to him. If that is all you got, don’t bother. Either destroy my assertion on an intellectual level or go away and talk about why WTC tower came down with controlled demolitions.

“and there are many many others working towards cooperative non-violent forms of conflict resolution”

These groups that you mentioned are all not part of the process of resolving the conflict.

Gush Shalom is a bunch of old American Jewish ladies, some men, groupies of this old hippy and poet named Uri Avnery. They are more connected to Dade County than Israel. But yes, you are right, they are Jewish, many speak Hebrew, many now live in Israel, they oppose violence. What they don’t seem to want to advertise is that their pedagre is from Socialist Worker movements in the United States from the 30s and 40s.

I just can’t figure out why they are in Israel, those who are anyways. In fact they keep their Israel citizenship, which is automatic for Jews, just so they can go over there and protest.

You mentioned ISM. Isn’t that that group that sent that Rachel “I can stop a bulldozer” Corrie to commit suicide.

faelnarr,

With regard to the Burmese government. Assuming that what you are saying is accurate, which I am not sure of. You are talking about a government, not a religion.

If what you describe happens we have another example where a government acts in a nasty way over religion. In this regard it has one of the four main points I mentioned about Islam.

A. Professes that it’s people should go to war and kill to defend its religion.
Islam: Yes
Hindu in Burma: No

B That its organized institutions, demand death, for anyone who, converts away from Islam, encourages another to convert, commits blasphmy against Islam, or is even an apostate.
Islam:Yes
Hindu in Burma: No;

C. Islamic countries are amongst the only country where some conduct their foreign policy which includes threats of violence, is based on religion.
Islam:Yes
Hindu in Burma: No;

D. Islamic countries are the only countries where government policy and laws enforce adherence to Islam.
Islam:Yes
Hindu in Burma: Yes