this is fascinating stuff. will we find out the truth about 9/11 in our lifetimes?

it’s not a matter of finging but rather believing…

“...will we find out…” from who?

There is already a vast array of information out there for anyone that has the desire to teach themselves what is most likely to have happened on 9/11…albeit regarding the events of NYC in particular.

Will we ever find out from the gov’t? Unlikely.

Will we ever find out from the mainstream, corporate media? Not without a major anti-trust suit which breaks apart all the media conglomerates. More likely, but still unlikely.

Will we ever find out from our colleagues, peers, friends, family and local activists? Many already have.

i heard there was a LOOSE CHANGE 3.0, can anyone direct me to where i can view it online?

Finding out the truth about 9/11…

I don’t feel a need to know “The Truth” about 9/11. From what I am able to learn, I have taken away “a truth”...

When you hear the Pan pipes, don’t panic.

Not that this is anything new. Mass hysteria exists – see Orson Wells : War of the Worlds : Oct 30, 1938. If it’s that easy to make the masses think they are seeing aliens attack before their very eyes, how hard is it to make the masses think “terrorists” are attacking all over the world in places they can’t even see?

will we find out the truth about 9/11 in our lifetimes

the Italians found out about Gladio, didn’t they?

i heard there was a LOOSE CHANGE 3.0, can anyone direct me to where i can view it online?

Loose Change Final Cut

Highly dubious. You might want to exercise caution in accepting the words of such men (highly implicated in super-secretive false flag ops and with close ties to NATO) as revelations of truth. It’s not like Cossiga was the whistleblower on Gladio, as Watson stupidly portrays him, he reluctantly admitted to a part in it after revelations from opposition parties, and he was nearly impeached for it.

Furthermore, find someone who reads Italian to translate the original, relying on babelfish or whatever is bush league.

jesus, I just read bacchus’ summary:

“All of this really happened: there were trials, convictions, and resignations from high government offices.

One of the men whose testimony helped reveal “Gladio” is former Italian President and former head of Italian “secret services” Francesco Cossiga.”

Uh, you do realize Cossiga is one of those who refused to testify in court and then resigned the presidency due to revelations of his involvement in Gladio?

i agree heartily that the word of such a man as that with a shadowy intelligence-military-political past is worth little at face value...often such persons will make strong claims regarding important issues which they either cannot or will not back up with hard evidence. (Anyone familiar with the story of Mike Vreeland will certainly know what I am referring to; Alex Jones also cites many of these types…)
However, the motivation(s) of the individual in question must also be considered. For instance, if the person wishes to draw attention for no other reason than self-preservation, sometimes truth appears suddenly. However, in many cases, people making strong claims are drawing attention for self-enrichment & are thus more likely to be deceiving, especially if they themselves were deceived. Thus the situation must always be considered, not just the credibility, or accuracy of claim.

Here follows my perspective on this, sans further research into this guy:
In this case, Cossiga may have taken advantage of a well-known idea (9/11=inside job) and floated it resting on his ‘military-intelligence-political’ credibility in order to draw attention himself, and possibly re-gain face in the European political world. I consider this likely. Equally as likely, from my perspective, is that he was guided, told, steered, handled into saying what he did…the purpose of this could be to shift questions about perpetrators to the CIA & Mossad, as he indicated in his interview. Least likely of all, he may possibly have wanted to lend his credibility to an idea which he considered urgent and given the interview as a public service. People just don’t do things like risk their credibility & life for nothing….

it would be wise to understand this guy’s relationship with intelligence services currently before reading too deeply into his words.

There was the story of an Andreas Von Bulow or some such german ex-cabinet level minister making a similar statement about internal gov’t knowledge of 9/11 perpetrators. he was in several filmed interviews which i have seen…he also talked to european TV if I remember correctly. thought that might be interesting since its nearly the same story as with this Cossiga fellow…

It’s my understanding that Cossiga was involved in the founding of Gladio after WWII (when it was suppposed to fight a Soviet invasion), and that after the Bologna massacre, Cossiga went public to confirm the groups existence. It was confirming the group’s existence that jeopardized Cossiga’s own career, because he was admitting to being involved in an illegal organization, but it served the laudable purpose of exposing the group, which had begun killing Italians for its own ends. That’s why Cossiga is a whistleblower… yes, he was involved in Gladio in the begining. But it was Cossiga’s public admission that both jeopardized his career and allowed the trials to proceed against the murderers in Gladio. So the simplest explanation is that Cossiga is a hero and a whistleblower.

But the whole thing involves international espionage, so its perfectly understandable if people want to look for hidden motives.

Old, retired politicians without a prayer of reelection are usually the most honest of the bunch, it seems to me.

Blowing the whistle on Gladio is no slight matter, mind you… there’s alot of speculation that it was Gladio operatives out of the P2 lodge who kidnapped and killed former Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro, while impersonating the Red Brigades (it makes more sense than the other explanation to me). I think it’s a mistake to see Gladio as monolithic. It was specifically the neo/ex-fascist Italian members of Gladio associated with the P2 lodge who were involved in false-flags against civilians… there were Gladio branches in other countries that never did that, and probably other Gladio members in Italy who only signed up to fight the Soviets.

That’s my reading, but I’m no expert.

If it was a Mossad/CIA operation (isolated elements of each, of course) then we would expect to see more intelligence insiders coming forward with that story. The first people we could expect to come forward are those who have the least to fear from going public about their beliefs/knowledge (foreigners- outside the US/Britain/Israel, retired officials, old people) as well as people with a record of being a bit reckless or independent. I think that’s the trend we’re seeing, let’s see if it keeps up.

And if it does…....?

exactly…and if it does…then some folks will say “Aha! Here is another piece of evidence! Now, I know that I know what I already knew!”

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck & walks like a duck, it’s probably a duck (no matter how many times somebody else calls it a cat, a pigeon, a fish or what-have-you)....in that light, does it matter if someone comes up to you and says “I am a professional, and that is a duck!” ? You knew it already…

my rant is done.

Peace,

geese look, walk, and sound pretty similar to ducks

so do plater puss’ ... kinda … except that they don’t have pods under their wings.

No, no, no.

Cossiga is not a GLADIO whistleblower. He helped set it up and kept it secret for 45 years!

Somebody is testing the water here, and Cossiga is a tainted messenger. Note how coyly he makes it seem like “everybody knows” that 9/11 was CIA/MOSSAD when it’s actually a hotly debated issue. He goes out of his way to suggest that the Italian Left holds this view, when from what I’ve seen at 911blogger, the Italian Truthers have a very complex and nuanced interpretation of 9/11, but yes, it can be boiled down to “inside job”.

I did email infowars to let them know that Watson blew it on this one.

Cossiga, Corriere della Serra, Berlusconi, and GLADIO do have one thing in common:

Propaganda Due

Cossiga’s main focus is actually his revelation that a major Italian media outlet is set to expose the latest Bin Laden video as a fabrication. A fabrication by Sivio Berlusconi’s “Mediaset”. Berlusconi was a member of P2

Corriere, (the “Evening Courier”), the paper that published Cossiga’s allegations, had deep links to P2

During the kidnapping and subsequent murder of Italian Premier Aldo Moro, Cossiga was neck deep in P2 connections and CIA henchmen;

Behind the facade, however, lies one of the most sinister episodes of the Italian Republic, an episode in which the entire secret state was fully involved. The Secret Services, which were supposed to find Moro’s prison, spectacularly bungled their search, together with the police and the Carabinieri; the P2 Masonic lodge, whose members happened to be put in charge of the investigations, deliberately messed up the search; Interior minister Francesco Cossiga surrounded himself with P2 members and CIA officers; the Mafia offered its services to free Moro, only to be told in no uncertain terms that Moro was wanted dead not alive. At the time, public opinion knew nothing of all this; the existence of the Masonic lodge P2 only became known three years later, in 1981…

It was only with the fall of the Berlin wall and the end of the Cold War that the enormity of the effects of such war upon Italy and the Italian political system began to emerge. The Gladio scandal, in the early 1990s, brought to light the existence of a whole secret network of anti-Communist organisations throughout Western Europe, whose official aim was to fight in the event of a Soviet invasion, but which also had the all-important unofficial aim of fighting against the internal communist threat in those countries considered most at risk. At the time of the Gladio scandal Francesco Cossiga was President of the Italian Republic. He publicly defended Gladio as a legitimate organisation against a young judge, Felice Casson, who proclaimed its illegitimacy. It was in those days that Cossiga and Casson expressed openly and clearly their allegiances to two contrasting states and principles of legitimation. Referring to P2 leader Licio Gelli, Cossiga declared ‘He is a patriot’. With reference to the same man, Casson stated ‘He is a traitor’. Never before, I believe, had the dual identity of the Italian Republic been so crudely exposed. By patriot, Cossiga referred to Gelli’s loyalty to the secret anti-Communist state. By traitor Casson referred to Gelli’s betrayal of the antifascist legitimating principle of the official state…

http://www.bath.ac.uk /
http://www.bath.ac.uk/eri/pdf/op-annabull.pdf

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The true GLADIO whistleblower was the current Prime Minister at the time of the scandal, Giulio Andreotti. AFTER Andreotti went public, Cossiga admitted it was true;

“In Italy, on 3 August 1990, then-prime minister Giulio Andreotti confirmed the existence of a secret army code-named “Gladio” – the Latin word for “sword” – within the state. His testimony before the Senate subcommittee investigating terrorism in Italy sent shockwaves through the Italian parliament and the public, as speculation arose that the secret army had possibly manipulated Italian politics through acts of terrorism.

Andreotti revealed that the secret Gladio army had been hidden within the Defense Ministry as a subsection of the military secret service, SISMI. General Vito Miceli, a former director of the Italian military secret service, could hardly believe that Andreotti had lifted the secret, and protested:

“I have gone to prison because I did not want to reveal the existence of this super secret organization. And now Andreotti comes along and tells it to parliament!” According to a document compiled by the Italian military secret service in 1959, the secret armies had a two-fold strategic purpose: firstly, to operate as a so-called “stay-behind” group in the case of a Soviet invasion and to carry out a guerrilla war in occupied territories; secondly, to carry out domestic operations in case of “emergency situations”.

The military secret services’ perceptions of what constituted an “emergency” was well defined in Cold War Italy and focused on the increasing strength of the Italian Communist and the Socialist parties, both of which were tasked with weakening NATO “from within”. Felice Casson, an Italian judge who during his investigations into right-wing terrorism had first discovered the secret Gladio army and had forced Andreotti to take a stand, found that the secret army had linked up with right-wing terrorists in order to confront “emergency situations”. The terrorists, supplied by the secret army, carried out bomb attacks in public places, blamed them on the Italian left, and were thereafter protected from prosecution by the military secret service. “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game,” right-wing terrorist Vincezo Vinciguerra explained the so-called “strategy of tension” to Casson.

“The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security. This is the political logic that lies behind all the massacres and the bombings which remain unpunished, because the state cannot convict itself or declare itself responsible for what happened.”

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Cossiga was fucking proud of GLADIO, the evil operation that it secretly was, and defended it, he even threatened to kill the investigations that the Italian public was clamoring for after he confirmed that GLADIO was real;

“Only Francesco Cossiga, Italian President since 1985, confirmed what Andreotti had revealed and explained that he was even “proud and happy” for his part in setting up Gladio as junior Defence Minister of the Christian Democratic Party. During an official visit to Scotland, the President declared to journalists that all Gladiators were good patriots, adding: “I consider it a great privilege and an act of trust that … I was chosen for this delicate task … I have to say that I’m proud of the fact that we have kept the secret for 45 years.” Back in Italy, the President found himself in the midst of a political storm, and requests were made across parties for his immediate resignation or impeachment for high treason. Judge Casson wanted the head of state to testify in front of the investigating Senate committee. The President refused and even threatened to shut down the entire parliamentary investigation: “I’ll send the law extending its mandate [the mandate of the commission already approved by the Senate] back to Parliament and, should they re-approve it, I will have to examine the text anew to see if the conditions exist for the extreme recourse to an absolute [Presidential] refusal to promulgate.” The attack was completely without any constitutional grounds and critics in the press started to question the President’s sanity. As the Gladio scandal culminated, the Italian President only narrowly escaped his impeachment by stepping down in April 1992, three months before his term expired.”

http://www.psa.ac.uk/journals/pdf/5/2005/Ganser.pdf

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The man is no hero. He is ABSOLUTELY NOT a GLADIO “whistleblower”. He helped set up and keep covered up the most infamous False Flag network to come to light in recent decades.

What is his real intent here? That is what you should be asking, because these Secret Society thugs rarely turn on each other, and Cossiga really has nothing to gain from turning on the old boy P2 network, (and whatever current manifestation exists), and his very life to lose.

Perhaps he is an “anti-Semitic” strawman.

http://www.gnn.tv/B19152

thanks for that reprehensor

Awesomeness…

I didn’t know Cossiga tried to kill post-Bologna investigations into Gladio… what I don’t understand is, why he would admit its existence if he wanted it kept secret? Mutually exclusive, no?

You could be right. But what about the possibility that Cossiga was down with Gladio as an anti-Soviet secret army (which he thought it mainly was) but that he was not down with Gladio as a domestic terror organization? That is, Cossiga loved the idea of secret spies fighting the Commies inside Italy, but that he hated the idea of secret spies killing Italians to blame the Commies?

That would explain how he has behaved, no?

I’m not saying you have to believe it, just that it seems like a plausible explanation.

At any rate, I think we can all agree that most Americans would be far less skeptical of the possibility of an “inside job” if they were aware of this chapter in Italy’s history.

anyways, does anyone know if this is really Silvio Berlusconi’s front lawn?

Fighting communism were they?

Stealing megabucks and assassinating the Pope were just en passant

Fascinating – More tentacles of teh octopus.

“What is his real intent here? That is what you should be asking,”

He’s very close to the CIA. The CIA just released a report that killed Iran war talk DEAD. Through him the CIA is warning Mossad to think VERY HARD about pulling any false flag shit to force their war or they’ll blow 9/11 wide open

Notwithstanding these intel games the truth is breaking out regardless because the evidence is overwhelming that..

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB:

BBC Videos reporting collapse of WTC-7 24 minutes before it actually happened!

WTC 7 Collapse: Controlled Demolition?

President Bush at Booker Elementary – How did the Secret Service know he was not a target?

WTC Collapse: Indications of Thermite

WTC Collapse: Photographic evidence of cutter charges.

9/11 and Anthrax: There is a real suspect, but the FBI won’t go near him.

The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11

Odigo Workers Received Warning of 9/11 Attacks

Insider stock dealings traced to Israel

The Amazingly Lucky Larry Silverstein

Oops the links didn’t take. I’ll try again:

BBC Videos reporting collapse of WTC-7 24 minutes before it actually happened!
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bbc_wtc7_videos.html

WTC 7 Collapse: Controlled Demolition?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

President Bush at Booker Elementary – How did the Secret Service know he was not a target?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11secretservice.html

WTC Collapse: Indications of Thermite
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.html

WTC Collapse: Photographic evidence of cutter charges
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_charges.html

9/11 and Anthrax: There is a real suspect, but the FBI won’t go near him
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/anthraxsuspect.html

The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

Odigo Workers Received Warning of 9/11 Attacks
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/odigo_9-11_warning.html

Insider stock dealings traced to Israel
http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a048.htm

The Amazingly Lucky Larry Silverstein
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/silverstein.html