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Articles : InternationalTaiwan: The Future of the Country That Doesn't Exist
With China’s economy set to soar, will the independence of the internationally unrecognized region of Taiwan be under threat? Recent news that the island’s current administration will slash a proposed special arms budget aimed at fending off rival Beijing to US$11 billion from US$15 billion has raised concerns that the standoff for Taiwan between the mainland Chinese and the United States could be nearing an unpleasant showdown.
So how did this seeming paradise of lush foliage jungle and stunning mountain landscapes find itself at the heart of one of the most bitterly disputed international contests of the past few decades, and why doesn’t the world’s media talk about it?
The answer is all in the island’s troubled history.
The Troubled Isle
In the 15th Century, Portuguese colonists settled on the idyllic island of Taiwan, just off the eastern coast of mainland China, and named it “Formosa”; the beautiful island.
Since then, the tropical land mass has been host to some of the most turbulent and largely unreported conflicts and tragedies of the region’s history. The years have been particularly hard on the inhabitants, who for the past four hundreds years or more have been more or less powerless in deciding the fate of their homeland while greater powers fought for dominance over the ill-fated isle.
Today, Taiwan again faces an uphill struggle to regain its footing as a nation state to give justice to the unique culture and passions of its inhabitants.
Despite now being a tourist hotspot, pioneering some of the most unique pop music through its resilient youth, gradually becoming a major world economy and claiming the largest video games market on Earth, it lies in the warpaths of both China and the United States; two superpowers, one of which analysts expect to emerge as the coordinate economic and military force of the world in the coming decades.
Its past is complex; with many major political players all over the world staking claim to the territory at some point during its last five stormy centuries.
But no nation’s history ever was simple, and it’s important that the Taiwanese story gets out and understood by the world’s public, because the survival of the liberty and lifestyle of its inhabitants are set to once again enter the line of fire.
Today, the world’s attention is firmly rooted in Europe and the Middle East and the media often fails to pick up on the less newsworthy plight in other regions, such as Africa and Asia. Even now, when Africa is supposedly so high on the G8 governments’ agendas following the campaigning of the Live 8 and Make Poverty History groups, the Niger famine has taken a back seat to coverage of the so-called “War on Terrorism” and turmoil in Lebanon.
Meanwhile, the political evolution of Asia is progressing at such dizzying speeds that the rest of the world risks overlooking the serious implications that the historical development of the region may pose on the future.
Beijing’s watchful eye
After years of the Chinese government maintaining a low value on the Yuan, meaning Chinese industries made huge profits on exports to the world market, PR China recently re-valued its currency. The US dollar now buys you more Renminbi than ever before.
However, despite how good this might sound for the Americans, the People’s Republic’s economy is still set to climb far faster and higher than that of the US in the next few decades, and it’s all down to their adoption of its hybrid capitalist economic system.
Following the Tiananmen Square massacre, when the revolutionary aspirations of the Marxist community and the appeals against civil liberty infringements from the country’s middle class youth sparked a brutal crackdown on political dissension from the increasingly paranoid and totalitarian state authorities, the government effectively offered the nation a compromise.
The deal was this; that the government pursue economic success in markets around the world and at home in order to rapidly modernize what was essentially a third world country into what we see today; a booming land of malls, pavements and roads. The condition was this; that the Chinese people remain obedient; supportive of the Party no matter what, ever refraining from scrutinizing or challenging the means by which the state was willing to pursue its economic ends, and willing to turn a blind eye to the ruthless destruction of labour rights up and down the country at the hands of the police and transnational corporations. The result was cheap labour for the world to buy, with little worker protection and a huge internal population of consumers quickly becoming history’s largest middle class.
But what does China’s inevitable ascent to superpowerdom mean for Taiwan and its neighbors?
The last time the United States of America had a competing superpower of comparative resources was Russia at the height of the Cold War, but since then “defense” technology has far developed, international tensions between various regions have shifted and the stakes of large scale military conflict have never been quite so high.
China is by no means a sleeping giant; its international influence is set to rise to a level equivalent to, if not greater, than the United States within the next five decades, and before long Beijing should be expected to begin flexing its new muscles in the surrounding territories; not least, in Taiwan.
Taiwan is not officially recognized as a country of its own as it doesn’t technically hold its own sovereignty, and this is largely due to PR China’s stubborn refusal to leave the island in peace since it found independence from the Republic of China and Japan during the tense 18 and 1900’s. Look it up on a map and it’s most often referred to as the Autonomous Region of Taiwan, much like Tibet and parts of Mongolia.
AR Taiwan is an island located just off the coast of mainland China, south of Japan, and north of the Philippines. After being colonized by the Dutch and Portuguese, later ousted from the island in 1661 by the famed Koxinga, a former pirate turned military leader, it was annexed by the Chinese Ching Dynasty in 1683. During this time the majority of the original native inhabitants of the island had been almost exterminated and replaced by Chinese and European settlers.
Yet those who remained, second or third generation settlers or some of the few natives, found common cause with one another is establishing the island as nation of its own. But the storms of Chinese and Japanese expansionism in the coming years gradually threw the island into political and economic chaos.
After briefly passing into the hands of the Emperors of Japan following the First Sino-Japanese War, a notoriously bloody conflict in which many lives were lost and much cruelty was perpetrated by both sides, inhabitants of the island fought back and established Asia’s first republic, the Taiwan Republic.
According to taiwandc.com, a qualified source on Taiwanese history, “a few days later, on 29 May 1895, a Japanese military force of over 12,000 soldiers landed in Northern Taiwan, and started to crush the movement. On 21 October 1895, Japanese imperial troops entered Taiwan, the southern capital of the Taiwan Republic, ending its short life.”
White terror
The tension between the Chinese occupation that set in during the second world war finally triggered massive clashes between natives and settlers in the February 28th Incident of 1947, when a small incident in Taipei led to large-scale demonstrations. The Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) was initially stunned by the uprising, but quickly began secretly sending troops from the mainland to abduct and execute a generation of leading figures, students, lawyers, and doctors on the island.
Almost 30,000 people were killed during this “white terror” and for years proceeding, thousands of people were arrested, imprisoned, tortured, and murdered by the KMT’s highly efficient KGB-machine, the Taiwan Garrison Command.
Yet another uprising took place during the RoC era and the native population effectively carved out its own independent nation, much to the fury of the Mandarin bureaucrats in Beijing, and the down trodden island slowly began to develop its own economy and culture.
Throughout the 1960s many island natives began assembling what became the independence movement, fed up by the rule of a mainland minority, began to call for a separate state of Taiwan.
It was now that the United States entered into the scene. Once United Nations expelled Taipei’s nationalist rules in the early 1970’s, Beijing took their place as governors of the isle. Almost a decade later the USA finally formally recognized the People’s Republic of China, severing official segregate diplomatic relations with Taiwan.
This meant that America accepted the Chinese “one China” project for reclaiming and expanding into nearby territories and abandoned its defense pact with the island, but within weeks the United States Congress reinstated a set of unofficial, unregulated economic agreements with AR Taiwan, including, critically, the sale of arms, highlighting the military interests of Washington in the region.
However, of course, since the rise to power of neoconservativism and aggressive foreign policy in mainstream US politics, prominent political and military figures in the United States government and army have stated that they feel obligated to violently defend Taiwan from re-assimilation into mainland China.
The deadlock between China and the US could, however, soon sway. With China more powerful than ever before and its economy set to propel it into the realms of world megapower in only a few short decades, many Taiwanese are afraid that Beijing will eventually muster the courage to reach out and grab Taiwan with its huge military arms.
What the future holds
Despite the steadfast mentality of the Taiwanese natives, especially the new generations who have now been born and raised on the island having had little or no contact with their hostile neighbors, China seems determined.
MSNBC’s Kari Huus writes, “Kiu Yan Chun grew up in Taiwan firmly believing that her family would someday go back to mainland China. It took most of her life to realize that there would be no triumphant return, as envisioned by the Nationalists when they retreated to Taiwan after defeat by the Chinese Communists in 1949. It took her longer still to realize that she had no desire to return.”
It is true the inhabitants of Taiwan have successfully mentally detached themselves from the mainland and found pride in themselves as a nation in its own right, despite not being recognized as such by international diplomacy.
Yet the free-market hybrid of PR China is following in the American expansionists footsteps, when they know what they want they will soon have the courage to go out and get it.
The future of Taiwan could end up concerning far more than just the island’s populace. Concerns continue to grow over the increasingly aggressive policies adopted by both China and the United States regarding the island.
The White House has continually assured China and the world that it will resort to violent force to prevent Chinese domination of the. On the 25th of April, 2001, CNN White House Correspondent Kelly Wallace wrote:
“U.S. President George W. Bush on Tuesday said that the United States would do “whatever it took to help Taiwan defend herself” in the event of attack by China.
Asked in the ABC interview if Washington had an obligation to defend the Taiwanese in the event of attack by China, which considers the island a renegade province, Bush said: “Yes, we do … and the Chinese must understand that. Yes, I would.”
More recently Beijing announced that it would resort to even nuclear weaponry to defend its interests in Taiwan. Combine this with the recent changes in American policy regarding nuclear weapons at the behest of the Bush Administration, in which nuclear payloads will no longer be considered simply as deterrents but may be used by the United States in tactical combat use, and a picture of a very damaging conflict between China and the US seems likely.
“If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China’s territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons,” said General Zhu Chenghu in mid-July, speaking at a function for foreign journalists organized, in part, by the Chinese government.
But despite its lack of recognition through the world’s media, Taiwan and its inhabitants aren’t just pawns on the chessboard of international politics. Taiwanese culture has taken off since it established one of the world’s most healthy economies;
Drawing on Han Chinese traditions it has built itself a world-renowned cuisine. Tourists come from all over the world to view the beautifully kept landscapes and palaces. The energetic island youth have made karaoke something of a national phenomenon and turned gadgetry and video games into nothing short of high art.
Taiwanese culture also influences the West’s, with Bubble tea and milk tea both popular drinks in urban Europe and the United States. The acclaimed director Ang Lee, whose martial arts epic Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon became one of the most popular foreign films in US Box Office history.
Could Taiwan be at the center of what may have the potential to escalate into world war? Nobody can be certain, but given the situation at present, one thing is for sure; it is unlikely the islanders will see much peace for some time.
However, with a youthful and passionate generation of activists, campaigners, journalists and artists growing up on the island that doesn’t exist, maybe this, one of Asia’s few functioning democracies, will be able to flourish and survive, teaching a lesson to China and the US about how defiance and patriotism really can make a nation great, rather than just plain greedy.
Amongst all the diplomacy, we see a chilling truth, echoed in the history of many other regions and continents around the globe; when communities are split so violently by those who seek to divide and conquer for private gain, the deep wounds caused to native culture and social structures can continue to bleed down through generations.
Posted by Yixian
British student, aid worker and amatuer journalist of Irish and French descent.
I really liked that article, I have been there acouple times on a fly over but never really knew their history or plight.
Well I never. Nice one Ciaran.
An extremely biased article actually… The Island is not of one mind on this issue and is in fact more like Quebec in Canada in that it’s usually considered fairly evenly distributed between those who don’t want to go be a part of China and those who do. Also this article fairly glosses over another important part that those in control in Taiwan and, for the most part, the independance movment there are not the natives. I kind of think that this article pushed them to the front for sympathies sake, but instead most of those in power and pushing the split are the losers of the Mao Revolution in Mainland China. Before anyone starts attacking me for being pro-China this all came from my ex-girlfriend’s uncle who up until about three years ago was the head of Taiwan’s Treasury department and who used to be one of the top people in the government Mao overthrew. Their family lost everything in the revolution.
As for what will happen in the future. Wait till 2008, after the olympics China already has plans to deal with this situation and I mean that in the most sinister way possible. I was talking with a student’s boyfriend who is a teacher in one of China’s major military schools and he basically told me that the army has been told that after the olympics China will no longer stand by on this issue. They’ll wait till after to make sure there is no scandal that would hurt this olympics (these olympics are VERY important to Chinese pride, it’s their way of showing hte world how far they’ve come). He said that the people in China’s army are very excited for it because war means the militaries salaries go up a lot (no I’m not kidding) and so they all know that if Taiwan resists they all make a lot of money.It’s sick and I’m a little worried being here actually… maybe 2008 I’ll takea year off China or something.
Holy fuck, Che.
word. christ.
2008?
isn’t that a year before the US presidential election?
interesting…
no, that is the year of the presidential election…
che, why would china want to war with Taiwan in 2008 of all times? Have they just been waiting for their military to slowly upgrade?
Overall, I liked Yixian’s article. It’s certainly a more productive use of his time than demonizing marijuana As nuber pointed out, it’s certainly biased, and also a little inaccurate. The U.S. dollar now buys less RMB than it ever has, at least during these last three years that I’ve been exchanging them.
Explicitly stating that about one million refugees from the mainland migrated to Taiwan in 1949 after being defeated by the communists in a civil war, and that their KMT organization then went on to dominate the larger majority of “native” Taiwanese would have given the article a little more balance. When I used to receive CCTV9, the only English mainland TV channel, I once saw a documentary showing the resistance on Han Taiwanese Chinese to the Japanese during WWII. It seemed to be equating these Taiwanese with the Communists, who led the fight against the Japanese on the mainland. I interpreted this as an official promotion of solidarity with the Taiwanese.
In 1995, I took a Chinese history course from Taiwanese professor in America. At the time, he seemed to be wrestling with the realization that his lifelong expectation of the KMT someday returning to take control of China wasn’t going to happen. Last year I was talking to an American in Taiwan about this attitude, and he laughed about the Taiwanese still using 1949 maps of China, which include Mongolia in the borders. The few Taiwanese that I did ask about the unification issue didn’t seem too concerned about it. Like the Taiwanese who freely travel about the mainland that I’ve spoken with, they believe the new economic investments between the two countries will lead to some agreeable resolution.
They are, no doubt, aware of China’s officially declared intentions of reclaiming Taiwan, “We believe that the war will not obstruct the holding of the 2008 Olympic Games.”, “even if that means we have to sacrifice the lives of tens of thousands of soldiers!”
My opinion is that the mainland Chinese would readily and fanatically support a war over Taiwan, but that the actual killing of too many fellow Chinese at this point in their history would be catastrophic to their national psyche. The KMT took a lot of the best and brightest with them when they left. The mainlanders are still repairing the damage done by the Cultural Revolution. Chinese Culture is what ultimately binds this vast population. The new prosperity has made the Chinese even more chauvinistic about the superiority of all things Chinese and the independence-minded Taiwanese are the most devoted lovers of traditional Chinese culture.
Good article. But I bet the Chinese patiently wait to swallow up Taiwan, like Hong Kong and Macau. Seems there’s to much at stake here for massive violence.
“My opinion is that over Taiwan, but that the actual killing of too many fellow Chinese at this point in their history would be catastrophic to their national psyche.”
Yeah, the Chinese people pretty much believe that their govt has no imperialist or international agendas.
No Chinese person I ever met supported any war with Taiwan.
But, like you say “the mainland Chinese would readily and fanatically support a war”, its scary, but living in China I know and you know that the Chinese people could and would support pretty much anything as long as they are waving a big fuck off Chinese flag.
Its almost like the entire country is waiting for someone to piss them off so they can really show off their nationalism.
“Its almost like the entire country is waiting for someone to piss them off so they can really show off their nationalism.”
Exactly… not to mention just how strong htey are now. That’s why I’m fucking terrified for the world int he future, China tries to come off as this modest country where everyone talks about how poor they are but when you actually get to talking with many people some here are so fucking full of themselves and China it’s sick.
“che, why would china want to war with Taiwan in 2008 of all times? Have they just been waiting for their military to slowly upgrade?”
it’s not about their tech, they are waiting till after the olympics. If they were to attack before the olympics it could create problems during the olympics with countries boycotting and such. Even just someone making any sort of speech about how China is bad would put egg o nt heir face and for the Chinese these olympics are so important for their national pride is incredible.
Their tech wont be upgraded in time really, although they may have more boats to crosst he straight with though which would be good for them anyway.
To be honest I’m guessing Taiwan wont stand up to them, The US can’t fight China so I don’t see how they could possibly back Taiwan with anything except words or UN issues which China can just Veto. I think in the end Taiwan and China will come to some sort of agreement that leaves Taiwan with China but still lets Taiwan save face anyway. I hope so… if not things here are going to get very ugly.
Realistically, it is completely and totally in the advantage of the Taiwan govt to join with China.
Maybe they are just waiting for the US to give them lots of weapons before they join the CCP. That would be the smart move because it is impossible for the US, aside from completely nuking Taiwan to really stop China from taking over.
Yeah I really don’t even get why they don’t want to, if they were their own country they would be shite. I know they are all still bitter over the whole Mao thing but fuck… China isn’t even really following Mao’s principles anymore so who cares.
The Island is not of one mind on this issue and is in fact more like Quebec in Canada in that it’s usually considered fairly evenly distributed between those who don’t want to go be a part of China and those who do.
I liked Yixian’s article…it’s certainly biased, and also a little inaccurate.
The bias in the article is, frankly, unscrupulous, as it poses as a historical and academic-like piece. I’m sure it would be possible to write an article like it about Hawaii or Alaska, not to mention Texas or California twenty or thirty years from now and be more in synch with the ethnic realities involved.
Not only do most Taiwanese not want to declare independence from mainland, as has been measured in detail over the past couple of years as the Taiwan president tried to advance such a declaration and as the mass population of Taiwan was measured by many polls and surveys over and over again, but the President of Taiwan, leader of the so-called independence movement is facing demonstrations and possible impeachment-like proceedings.
AS far as a proactive interest by mainland to have war with Taiwan, that is utterly false and twisted rhetoric. Mainland wants peaceful unification and the Taiwanese are more and more involved in mainland business, culture and travel than ever before.
Well, I have never been to Taiwan, aside from a 2 hour stopover, but from the Taiwanese people I have met they dont want to join China almost a much as they see themselves as nationalist Chinese.
So in other words, its pretty much inevitable that Taiwan will join China.
“AS far as a proactive interest by mainland to have war with Taiwan, that is utterly false and twisted rhetoric.”
Tell that to the nuclear missiles aimed at Taiwan, or the hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers who are ready to die in Taiwan.
“Mainland wants peaceful unification and the Taiwanese are more and more involved in mainland business, culture and travel than ever before.”
WHo are you? Their spokesman?
The Chinese govt wants to own Taiwan just as much as the US does. Your bizzare take on China and its motives means nothing really.
“The bias in the article is, frankly, unscrupulous”
Indeed! Always good to keep in mind where information is coming from! Like when you read something really pro mainland China from someone who threatens those who disagree with him about China with Torture and death, right lot08. Not that I’m saying anyone here would do that, lot08, of course. i’m sure that you are being entirely unbiased in your review of taiwan and of mainland China’s feelings towards war.
And I’m sure Memnoch, who you also would never threaten with torture and death for speaking ill of China of course, would agree!
Good to have biased comments from both sides of hte spectrum anyway I guess, keeps things balanced!
Not that I’m saying your’s were biased lot! Honest! Please don’t torture than kill me.
Jesus! I guess Memnoch didn’t agree with me. Kill and torture him NOT ME!!
Oh man, you are so CIA Not_Uberche. Stop all the pretending!
You are destroying the peace loving Chinese with your imperalist propaganda!
China only wants peace. Just look at the communist partys history if you want proof! (and dont read western imperialist capitalis in-roader fiction, its all lies!)
I doubt Taiwan will voluntarily unite with Mainland, but will instead be merged ipso facto when global corporations make borders irrelevant (10 years?).
Borders have been irrelevant for the past 10 years for corporations. But they will never be irrelevent for the rest of us.
“I doubt Taiwan will voluntarily unite with Mainland, but will instead be merged ipso facto when global corporations make borders irrelevant (10 years?).”
Borders are too good for riling up the poor populace against the other Poor of the world to make irrelevant I think…
One image of Taiwan that I will never forget is the Chiang Kai Shek Memorial .
It looks like a cross between the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. and the Heavenly Temple in Beijing.
A giant Chiang sits like Abe on the top floor and below is a museum that documents his and Madame Chiang’s lives. It’s unforgettable in that it is visually stunning, as is the heavenly temple, but also because when the Memorial was erected, the hope for reconquering the mainland was obviously very much alive. One stone inscription has Chiang quoting an ancient general, I think from the Spring and Autumn Period, about some principle for reclaiming territory.
There’s also a Natural History Museum in walking distance from the memorial with what I think is a permanent exhibit on the indigenous people of Taiwan. None of the information presented is translated in English, but the dates and maps convey a lot about the historical evidence and replicas. On my last night in Taiwan I went out with other foreigners to an aborigine bar in Tainan. Not very big, but Great atmosphere and live music with fried crickets and mountain rat on the menu. Yea, I even tasted the rat, which I strongly recommend not tasting.
I did not write this article to be particularly bias against China. This was not intended to be a critique of China at all, rather a piece to highlight the siutation of the Taiwanese. If my bias is that the people of Taiwan have more of a right to determining the fate of their island than Beijing or Washington, then yes, it’s biased. The fact is, whether or not Taiwan would be better off as part of China or as a US friendly economic state, and whether or not the population would prefer either option or something entirely different, is not the point; the point is, nobody is listening to them, and it’s not they who are being asked to make the decision.
the chinese nationalists couldn’t fight their way out of a Shaghai whorehouse.
Sarcasm always shags whores while hai.
maybe China will wait patiently for Taiwan the way they did for Hong Kong and Macau?
Memnoch01 and Uberche have been so incessantly anti-China and so forever emerging in tandem and with such rapid response over the past year that I can’t help feeling they are part of a larger anti-China effort funded by the U.S. right wing that includes elements of North American organized crime. I thought Anthony and most people were against multiple identities. Memnoch’s sufficient bank account to enable him to travel a lot and take some interesting photos and his occasional faake biographical semi-literary pieces shouldn’t endear him to anyone interested in truth and justice.
I never threatened Memnoch and he and Uberche keep regurgitating this kind of defamation of character over and over for months now. I merely said I like to see him face one sort of justice or another, never that I would or could do it.
There are more forms of concerted larger power psyops going on here at GNN than have been addressed on occasion. The site may even provide a place to exercise different agents and agent assets, and their different rhetorics besides helping to create 9/11 confusion/noise and anti-MIC intolerance and indifference.
“Memnoch01 and Uberche have been so incessantly anti-China and so forever emerging in tandem and with such rapid response over the past year that I can’t help feeling they are part of a larger anti-China effort funded by the U.S. right wing that includes elements of North American organized crime.”
I have already PM’d you. I am more than willing to talk to you in real life.
Uberche is my friend you dumbshit.
Edit: And you did threaten me.
You mean you felt threatened, don’t you? You can hardly say I threatened you if I say I did not. I said something that made you really feel threatened or that made you feel like saying that you were threatened? Tell us, lone Asian motorcycle traveler, what exactly went down to make you feel threatened or that prompted you to complain that you were being threatened?
I have already PM’d you. I am more than willing to talk to you in real life.
So, Memnoch @GNN isn’t real life. Just what I thought.
You threatened to call the Chinese police on me. You have been to China. That is a real threat. I am just a guy. I have PM’d you, I have written to you, and you never wrote back to me.
You said I should be tortured by the fucking Chinese police.
You can call me, meet me, anything you want.
I dont care about internet dramas. I dont want this to be written out here mostly because I have some fucking pride.
I will PM you once more and offer you opportunity to contact me in real life. If you decline then please, just fuck off.
“So, Memnoch @GNN isn’t real life. Just what I thought.”
This is the internet moron.
Memnoch01 and Uberche have been so incessantly anti-China and so forever emerging in tandem and with such rapid response over the past year that I can’t help feeling they are part of a larger anti-China effort funded by the U.S. right wing that includes elements of North American organized crime
pure gold right there, ladies and gentlemen. puuuuuuuuuure gold.
And if anyone is reading this other than Lot08, I gave him my telephone number when I was in China when he first threatened me with torture by the Chinese police because I thought that if he called me maybe I could convince him I am not CIA or something. He didnt call me. Then I went to Beijing and told Lot O8 beforehand and offered to meet him, he declined.
Lot 08 is a paranoid psycho coward.
I just PM’d him and I highly doubt he will answer because if he finds out that I am just some guy living with his mother with no govt connections that will shatter his paranoid fantasies.
You threatened to call the Chinese police on me. You have been to China. That is a real threat. I am just a guy.
You’re simply raving about this. You’ve said this several times, now. Show me the exact language you’re raving about.
You said I should be tortured by the fucking Chinese police.
I think that’s true. I think that’s a quote. Why didn’t you put that in quotation marks if that was indeed my precise opinion.
Since when is expressing an opinion a true threat and not just something that exists as a true threat in your mind. Why not connect all the dots, writer? Explain why you’ve persisted in expressing a feeling of being threatened.
You are loquacious enough when you write your fraudulent biographical (or, mere Internet life) stories. What’s holding you back now? What’s all this stuff about setting up a meeting with me so that real life can take place. What the fuck are you really Memnoch?
First you travel by motorcycle across China, Vietnam and Cambodia and now you’re just a guy living with his mother!?
I sent you my email adress.
Reply through that or fuck off.
How does Snark, another, supposed Canadian, come out of the woodwork all of a sudden, just for two seconds, just to comment right after my CBGB remark precisely while Memnoch and I were right in the middle of a dispute about China and each other — along with another of Memnoch’s alter egos — Uberch (_his friend_), who, mind you, has cut out. Meanwhile, Memnoch has remained singularly obsessed with my comments here, and much more confident and apparently feeling less threatened and more focused on being Memnoch1 instead of being Snark or Uberche.
Its because you have a mental illness.
You still havent emailed me.
And Lot? We were not in a discussion about China.
You cant even speak Chinese.
Wo xiwang wo jian ni, wo yao da nide lian, ni wangba baichi gepao.
haha holy shit lot YOU ROCK! Yes sorry I left, the appartment below me had a pipe burst in the ceiling and they thought they were going to need to tear down my wall to get at the pipe. Turns out it was all something of a mistake.. not sure how exactly but I don’t really care, I have my house back again which is nice.
“Memnoch01 and Uberche have been so incessantly anti-China “
Really?! That is pretty amazing news to me. I love China, it’s a great place for me to live. Yeah I have problems with some of their ideals and policies but overall the Chinese people rock and it’s a great place to be right now. In fact if you read my posts above I’m actually arguing that Taiwan is actually a part of China and that the independance movement isnt’ run by well meaning natives but instead by angry losers of the Mao revolution still looking to strike back at China.
“they are part of a larger anti-China effort funded by the U.S. right wing that includes elements of North American organized crime.”
HOLY SHIT! I really wish we had signatures, that would be mine! I’m now apparently a right wing US Crime lord then? Sweet! I only wish the pay was better…
“Memnoch’s sufficient bank account to enable him to travel a lot”
I thought you lived in China, anyone who has ever been here should know it costs next to nothing to live and if you work even moderately hard you can make enough to travel Asia to your heart’s content. Of course if you’re lazy and bad with money like me you don’t get to so much… But I will hopefully be doing the Vietnam, Cambodia, laos tour the next holiday. If you’d like I can keep track of how much money I spend and we can see just how well off Memnoch must be.
“I think that’s true. I think that’s a quote. Why didn’t you put that in quotation marks if that was indeed my precise opinion.”
So you’re denying that you once told us we should be torture for our comments about China?
“How does Snark, another, supposed Canadian, “
haha he got ya Snark! He knows you’ve been hiding out here on GNN biding your time pretending to be another person when in fact you are none othere than… MEMNOCH IN DISGUISE! and you would have gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for that meddling lot08!!
Wow… you truly are paranoid and delusional man… sorry the US locked you up for making those threatening comments or whatever happened in the US but man… get over it. Just because people dont’ share your hard-on for CHina doesn’t make everyone else US spies intent on badmouthing China on a message board.
“Wo xiwang wo jian ni, wo yao da nide lian, ni wangba baichi gepao.”
He’s so going toget you tortured for that one!
He’s so going toget you tortured for that one!
Hmm, and this will please you?
greatly.